The majority of an ivy league university class cheated with AI

What do you think about this massive cheating problem at ivy league university? Is there any way to stop it?

If you’re in school now, do you think that many students are having AI do work that the students should be doing?

He has never had more than 30 students enrolled at a time, and on some occasions he had only eight. This semester, probably because of the new evaluation system, 86 students signed up for the class. The results of the midterm exam, which was administered on March 5, were extraordinary, with an average score of 96 out of 100. Forty students scored a perfect 100. The people who corrected the exams warned him about several irregularities. “Some answers contained unusual passages that coincided with results obtained after running the questions through ChatGPT,” he says.

Serrano did not void the midterm exam, but warned students that the final one, which counted for 50% of the final grade, would be held in-person. He also said that if the grade distribution was not similar to the midterm, only the final exam would be taken into account. The average score dropped to 48 out of 100. Of the 89 students who did the midterm exam, only 59 showed up for the final one. And of the 27 who did not show up, 22 had scored a perfect 100 in the midterm exam.

Even though “56 percent of undergraduate respondents [at Brown] and 67 percent of graduate and medical student respondents reported intentionally using GenAI tools daily or weekly,” the report notes that large majorities of students also have “concerns about the impact of GenAI use on their learning” and a “fear of negative consequences for their cognitive capacity.”

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How long do you have, JC?

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I am not in school, but I am in the ‘workplace’.

‘Cheating’ is an interesting word, and its quite loaded. Yes, many students are using AI to do work that they should be doing!

But speaking of my own direct / adjacent experience:

Many, many junior lawyers are using AI to do work that they should be doing, such as preparing an update to their team, or tasking someone. It is quite sad to see.

A person that does not use AI will come across as too conservative, overly risk averse, or as lacking a pragmatic attitude, which may give them an ‘asterisk’ or a reputation as a naysayer.

Of course its much easier to be outspoken the higher you rise in a business.

I was quite inspired by Cardinal Newman’s writings about the idea of a university and education when I was in my early 20s. That is unfashionable now.

I am looking forward to my next catch up with a good friend, to talk about this very topic.

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Whats the surprise? These guys Will be politics after… :sweat_smile:

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The effect of AI on people’s minds and behavior worries me more than the idea that AGI is going to turn into Skynet or something like that (though bad decisions by AI could also be disastrous in the future).

I think that the effects of mobile phones, social media, and Wikipedia have already been bad enough. :frowning:

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A related issue of good manners and respect for others is to not say, lets ask chatgpt that. If i ask someone a question it is because i would like to ask them the question, for their answer. Just a potential point of good etiquette, to be mindful of now that for example it is unnecessary to not leave the table until everyone is done eating as no one eats together anymore :joy:

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Were delegating all matters to a technology that 4 years ago didnt exist. That make mistakes. And that is making that 20 ceos and governments turn extraordinarily rich and powerful. Is time to be scared :sweat_smile:

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There is a lot justification for your viewpoint, but it is also true that similar statements have been said in the past as various technologies became available.

“TV is rotting children’s brains.”
“If we let the kids use calculators then future generations won’t be able to do math.”
“If kids are allowed to Google everything, they will just cheat on their homework..”

You are completely right for believing that the digital world is producing some deliterious effects. It is also causing some positive effects.

My take is that there may be a deeper critical concern that is getting overlooked. These technologies amplify and reveal existing weaknesses in human cognitive habits and behaviors. Whatever else we do, we need to target these latter issues.

There are many ways that technology can be used to improve our cognition. But, I suspect, the difference has more to do with the predisposition of some people to use digital technology in ways that are self-weakening, while others are predisposed to use it in ways that are self-strengthening. (And some of us do a little of both.)

It is absolultely correct to call out the ways that AI and other digital technologies do encourage harm, enable bad habits, and can rot your brain. But I think it would be very wise for all of us to begin thinking more about what AI and technology is teaching us about being human. Much work needs to be done improving how the marvelous thinking machines inside our heads work, regardless whether we are working on a computer, or are completely offline.

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Quite true. It is a cliche to say “this generation…” or “the world is going to pieces”. Or “the world is so fast paced now”. You can read that kind of cliche in old books. But my soap box is very comfortable.

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I think in class quizzes/exams/writing assignments will help for now (This may not work once AI enabled glasses are ubiquitous.) If students use AI to do their homework, it will show on their exams. If they use AI to help them better understand, well that will also show on their exams.

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I can’t say it’s limited to the ivy league, reflecting on a recent online comparative law exam of mine wherein several people have shamelessly told me they’d “just use ChatGPT”. Personally, this makes my respect for the american ivy leage drop (even further).

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if you agreed not to use AI for something, you shouldn’t use it! that’s for sure. and if you explicitly want to train a skill for use in the absence of AI, you probably shouldn’t use AI. if you have moral objections to AI and it would cause you anguish to use, you probably shouldn’t use it.

most other cases… man. probably a good idea to stay plugged into what’s available and how to use it. the future is coming so fast and i worry that nobody is going to be ready. it’s getting reeeeeeally powerful. but what do i know. im a guy on a memory forum

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I agree that today being able to drive a car is wortwhile, but is a world with highways, crashes, supply chain pollution a good one? Should that trade off thinking been more prominent at the start of that technology development?

Am i just being needlessly philosophical? Im obviously a memory forum dude as well and for my sins a philosophy major :joy::sob:

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To continue the metaphore, Luckily there are endless places you can live without a car. I quit driving 15 years ago and am so happy I did.

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I just started Law school at a university with a prestigious history. AI use is rampant and very predictably is delivering a safety net early in the program. My issue with this is that it is shifting the locus of attention in education further toward assessment results and further away from individual learning. Law and Med school are particularly vulnerable to this due to the impact exit grades have on early career opportunities.

Particularly sympathetic to people on this forum, my concern with AI use in higher education is the long-term impacts of outsourced cognition. The issues for the universities themselves are a bit trifling and higher ed had structural issues with performance and technology far before AI. The risk to the individual in terms of advanced cognitive disorder onset remains to be seen but could be a consequence (reduced neural network density and recall from cognitive outsourcing leads to early onset cognitive decline, see most dementia research and the MIT study on AI use in essay writing (brainonllm . com)).

The actual risk to me is inculcation into a profession that has decision impact in society is being made dependent on proprietary technology which increasingly has political implications.

I’m much more worried that in the context of a scarce computing event (people loose access to high performance computing and network technology – not too out there with resource and supply chain shocks) people will be incapable of maintaining a profession’s minimum operational level for society to function and move through the event. Continuity of professional experience is also a deep concern in this regard. If junior position professionals are outsourcing tasks to AI instead of learning from senior professionals, the tacit knowledge loss could be quite dire. Knowledge management issues of tacit and explicit knowledge value gaps is an extensive area of study in management sciences and should be talked about more. AI can only deliver explicit knowledge guidance, if not underpinned by tacit experience, the value of that explicit knowledge deliver is extremely limited.

I am more concerned that people going into higher education and the people supposedly advising them do not understand the importance of training and educating for worst case scenarios. On a philosophical level, in my little world, training to be a jurist (lawyer) means that if I was dropped in a settlement situation with a group of people with few resources, I would know and understand enough principles of law and procedure to establish a system of civics fit to that group’s needs and establish some level of order within a reasonable time frame of a year or two.

If someone relies on cognitive outsourcing to extract, summarize, and synthesize throughout their studies, they will be reliant on that tool to perform what they were trained in. Try having a carpenter trained on power tools build a table with hand tools, it won’t be a smooth process. We should educate for a profession which is then performed in an economy, not educate for an economy that performs different professions.

There is a difference between being educated with AI and a calculator, scale. Calculators are readily deliverable for minimal production and maintenance costs, even an abacus and a slide rule can substitute for all but modeling calculations if people know how to use them. AI is extremely expensive to develop, produce, build out the infrastructure for, distribute, maintain, and learn. That is my worry. Calculators didn’t destroy numeracy but they also are tools which adapted the same role from existing technology, and they did decidedly impact arithmetic fluency for the individual. AI is a full systemic sea change of knowledge in society and requires extremely expensive upkeep, both resource costs and for labor hours. The only outcome to me for continued AI adoption is technological reliance which breeds political allegiance out of necessity to access tools for basic processes.

I think the proof will be in the pudding in 15-20 years of what AI and extensive technological adoption does to human cognition and social functions. Until technology is proven safe through extensive longitudinal studies, I suggest viewing and advocating against it as a workplace safety hazard, it is literally outsourcing your professional experience and educational opportunity for a productivity enhancement that benefits someone else, you should be compensated for that loss.

We have come to a place in society that we have deemed it necessary to have some level of testing for new drugs to ensure a modicum of safety for use and consumption when the benefits outweigh the consequences. Technology should be no different.

You can also take high doses of amphetamine for short term task specific performance benefits but it has long-term consequences on adrenal health, memory, and sleep architecture. I am happy to take the performance hit and actually live my life and enjoy my education as the wonderful process of learning and becoming that it is. Relying on AI in higher education is like selling a kidney to make a down payment on a house, you might get a house sooner but you’re probably not living in it as long. That’s my soapbox. Choose a life. Don’t choose a life to outsource it. I would rather be a learned beggar than a vapid cushioned shill simpering to the repetition of task and prompt slave to some screen.

Honor to Mnemosyne, mother of muses. May the springs of the pool of memory run eternal.

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Modern problems require modern solutions – according to the meme. In this case, the issue is students using AI to cheat on assignments. The solution, used to great effect by one professor, was to hide a white-colored font in the assignment prompt telling the AI to talk nonsense about an unrelated subject.

In an online discussion post, Alcorn State University history professor Dr. Jason Gibson posed a question that represented part of his students’ midterm. It was about the Industrial Revolution, but knowing how many students now rely solely on artificial intelligence for their answers, he secretly embedded instructions telling the AI to include information about Madagascar in a way that makes no sense.

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As someone who’s been teaching at the graduate level for 22 years, it’s been getting steadily worse, but precipitously so now in the age of AI. Can something be done to stop it? Yes, easily, but most instructors won’t do it, for the very justified fears of students lashing out and retaliating through negative course reviews, and out and out demands that they be fired, and the knowledge that admin will not back them up, support them, or make the systemic changes that would go a long way to fixing this within a couple of years at most. Even more so as tenure becomes more and more a thing of the past, and salaries fail to keep up with inflation.

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When I was at university, I remember a kid saying to a professor in front of the whole cohort - as part of this student’s negative feedback about some kind of mid course assessment - where he received a worse mark than he expected - WE ARE PAYING FOR A SERVICE HERE! I cannot remember the next sentence, to the effect of - you are getting in the way of that. But I clearly remember we are paying for a service.

It would only be worse now.

I remember it because I remember being utterly appalled, even as his peer, and another ‘recipient’ of ‘services’! Baha bleak…

If I had to hand write an essay I would need to drop the class. Some of the solutions I am seeing are inaccessible and put those with physical or learning disabilities at an even greater disadvantage. And before anyone points out accommodations: no, just no. The systems around that are hopelessly broken and put the weight totally on those already over taxed. Including the instructor!

Edit: a lot → some of. I didnt want to set up a straw man or use scare tactics to seem like no one is coming up with good ideas. Also added that instructors too are burdened by the accommodation system, not just the students. And the instructors I know would love to meet students where they’re at in most cases.