Method of loci loses out to the object detailing method

[NekroFernus (Олег)]

The purpose of mnemonics is to memorize information and apply it, or store it until needed.

In media we see Pi records and sports. These are training and fan avenues.

Let me explain. To use a mnemonic skill well you need to pass a standard (for yourself) of memorizing 100 two-digit numbers in 10 minutes or faster. (average time is 7 minutes).

Since these are numbers and practice, we will memorize on loci. For it is more convenient and faster, quick switching of images and linking.

And beginner mnemonists are encouraged to take up sports mnemonics. It requires only to create 500-2000+ loci for practicing, know the image codes (numbers, cards, names, binary, whatever) on automatism and practice.

Memorization.
How does a mnemonist memorize?

By encoding information into an image + reference image(location or detail of an object) + linking these images.
Verification. Recalls the connection of images by loci and decodes the information memorized.
The brain doesn’t care what to memorize - it’s all neural connections for it.
======================================================================Why memorizing for objects is more advantageous than Simonides/Cicero/Loki.

1- This is long-term information and it needs to be optimized, packed into cells in the most convenient way.

You can think of one object, allocate parts on it and memorize 10-12+ items for each part! And to remember what you memorized on it - imagine the item and start looking at its parts.

Loki 100 storage places will have to be taken from some places and schematically it is a long line. The method above is a box that you can pack everything you need.

It’s faster and more responsive. Usually locs are used for practice and if suddenly a person wants to memorize on them, there is a risk of mashing those connections.
However, I have talked to people who say that they memorize 100-500 pieces of information per location and they are fine.

If you remember the mnemonic law and why it works, then it’s understandable. But I’m leaning towards a box that can be stored for a long time.

If you memorize practical information, there may be a situation when the number of images reaches 3000 (examples: biochemistry, medicine, algorithms in programming, foreign languages).
At such volumes, practice shows the weaknesses of loki.

you need a lot of loci, where to get them?
you need to flip 1 loca - 1 image (or 12)
If you pick any object and memorize on it, you’ll just run out of space there and move on to a new object that was linked to the first one. In terms of loci - 2 images, and the OVERALL INFORMATION is bigger

How to create 1000+ places to memorize any information in an hour or less?

[image] 1 Select 4 shelves 2 Attach the images to the shelves of the nightstand 3 Think of 5 objects for each shelf (weight, battery, shorts, comb, suitcase) The end of the dumbbell bar has a battery in it, the battery is caught in the shorts, etc. [image] [image] 4 You end up with one ‘palace’ - a nightstand with four shelves. On the 4 shelves you have attached 5 images and you have created 20 seats! 5 On each of the images you highlight 5-10 parts [image] Now you are thinking, wher…

[Yvel0101]

Interesting. I posted something related as an object loci and gave my opinion, to put it up for public debate. But I keep saying this method is faster and more powerful for concept of hierarchies. I even intersperse it with the traditional al. Reaching an object the hierarchical

Not only hierarchies but also for anyone.

[Hari-P (Hari)]

@NekroFernus

Loki 100 storage places will have to be taken from some places and schematically it is a long line.

You’re making the assumption that you need to use a journey inside of your memory palaces. Memory palaces don’t need to be linear. In fact, especially for science and languages they very often are not. See for example Alex Mullen’s Chinese town.

@NekroFernus

If you memorize practical information, there may be a situation when the number of images reaches 3000 (examples: biochemistry, medicine, algorithms in programming, foreign languages).
At such volumes, practice shows the weaknesses of loki.

You’re making the assumption that these memory palaces are always going to be maintained as is.
Especially for languages and to a lesser extent science they’re not going to be maintained as is: once you’ve learnt basic vocabulary and are using the language you’ll never go back to the memory palace to look up these basic words. I mean you’d maybe forget advanced vocabulary, but not the basic one. And then the advanced vocabulary mostly can be understood for context.

Not that memory palaces need to be used for everything - especially for languages they’re not the best way to learn vocabulary imo, but for others reasons. The reasons you’re giving rather seem to be problems because you consider a very narrow definition of a memory palace.

[Yvel0101]

In the case of vocabulary, it is preferable a thousand times to use the association of the key word or the technique of the sentence including the two words. But the. Memory palace is powerful for example to know grammar, pronouns, etc etc other people’s things