League Season 17

Hi all, I have been asked to post a short clarification of the Rules on two topics: no-shows and draws. Please note that this is just my personal understanding as a participant. @Simon : Please clarify where needed.

Draws (Rules, p. 7, 20):

No draw at 3-3. There is only a draw at 4-4. If the score is 3-3, the players continue the match and it either ends 4-4 (draw), 5-3 (win) or 4.5-3.5 (win). The 4.5-3.5 result is the only exception of the rule that you need to have a two game lead to win. This is only expressly mentioned for the set of a Slam (p. 20) but also applies to the regular season matches.

No-shows (Rules, p. 9/10):

  • If your opponent is less than 15 minutes late, the match takes place normally.

  • If your opponent is more than 15 minute late but less than 30 minutes, you can decide whether you want a 4-0 win or want to play the match.

  • But I think few people know that if your opponent is more than 30 minutes late for a match, you win unless the ML team / a supervisor decides that the no-show player was sufficiently excused. That means in such a case the present player cannot agree to still play the match at a later date.

Why, you ask? To my understanding, this has been introduced to prevent the typical psychological pressure on the other player that they should agree to still play the match “because that is normal” or “in order not to make things complicated”.

No, it is not normal that your opponent does not appear to a match without informing you, it certainly shows a lack of diligence, some might even say a lack of respect for the other player’s schedule. The problem is that while some players might feel the same and that they deserve the win if their opponent does not appear, they would also like to avoid an open “quasi-conflict” with a no-show player, in particular if that other player somehow expects them to agree to a replay.

The rule is meant to protect players from such situations by taking the decision out of their hands and letting the ML team decide. If you feel that this is not necessary for you, that is great. But not everybody is always willing to engage and say no, and rules are supposed to protect all players.

The rule also cannot be waived (“let us ignore that rule and still replay the game”), because then the same psychological pressure would develop to waive the rule and replay the game, just with one additional step.

So, the next time your opponent is more than 30 minutes late or does not appear at all, it would be great to follow the above (binding) rule and not to play the match, but to inform Simon Orton and let him and the ML team handle the matter.

Simon Orton will then decide whether the no-show player was properly excused. That is not the case if the player did not immediately inform their opponent that they cannot play the match, it is also not the case if the problem was in general a foreseeable one (e.g. a meeting could take longer or not, but it is clear from the start that it reasonably might: inform your opponent.). In particular, it is of no importance for the question of a proper excuse whether the opponent of the no-show player says they still want to play the match, otherwise the purpose of preventing a psychological pressure situatuon would be undermined again (“come on, can’t you tell the ML team that you still want to play the match?” etc…).

Sorry for the long post, but it is an important topic and hopefully this helps some players in the future. You can find the rule on p. 9/10 of the Rules, by the way (link to Rules: https://memoryleague.com/static/Memory_League_World_Tour_Rules.pdf). @Simon It might be an idea to add that link to the Season rules page, so that more players can take notice :).

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Thanks, Simon. I admit I didn’t know the rules were expressed quite like that, so I’m glad at least somebody managed to remember them! :smiley:

I do prefer to be flexible, but I’ve been no-showed by the same opponent twice now, and another one in our division is basically refusing to play anybody, so I just figured it would make more sense if they were removed completely at the end of the season…

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Hi Ben,

Happy that this was somewhat helpful to you! :).

I think it might make sense for Simon Orton to consider to also remove someone from the season if they lose a match due to a no-show a certain number of times, like after 2 or 3 matches. I don’t think it would be a good scenario (independently of what is currently happening in your division, I do not know the details of that) if a player deliberately chose to lose their matches via no-show and did this too often or even every single time, basically circumventing the minimum matches deadline that way - it just leads to frustration and wasted time and energy for the ones who wait. For example, in one of the higher chess leagues in Germany, a team is removed from the season if they no-show in two match rounds. I think that is a useful rule.

An additional, complementary rule could be that a no-show does not count for the deadline match total of the no-show player, so if someone only has no-shows, they are at the latest out after the second deadline.

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Yes, thanks a lot Simon. I agree very much with this policy and the rationale you’ve elaborated. I also agree making a no-show “not” counting towards a deadline match. Lastly, I thank Ben for the nice chat we had while meeting up for an event to which we had mutually been invited, but to which our host didn’t show!

There can always be unforeseen obstacles to getting online, but a double-booking-no-show? That guarantees a no-show for at least one of us. That’s the bell for end of that round. As they say in Hawaii, “Book 'em Danno - Four - Oh” (for courtesy, one-less than Hawaii “Five-Oh”)


P.S. Happy to cede decision on rebooking to the ML team
P.P.S. Hope all is well with my competitor - (if you get this, send a reply to the email I sent last week) - Pax

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Hi all,

Unfortunately the following competitors missed the first two targets and have been removed from the season:

Memory League Name Art of Memory Forum Name
Andrey Safronov @AndreySafronov
Mujibur Rahman @handsomeshiner

The following competitors have missed one target and are on the warning list:

Memory League Name Art of Memory Forum Name
Anne ROBIN @Anne
Bekzodjon Yusupov @Mr.Incredible
Braden Adams @BradenExplosion
Egor Eremenko @Egor_Eremenko
Evgeny Stanichnikov @Stanichnikov
Medo hossam @Medo
:fire:𝓝𝓲𝓴𝓵𝓪𝓼 𝓜𝓸𝓸𝓷𝓢𝓾𝓷 :fire:1v1 :crossed_swords:Arena of Memory :stadium: @NiklasMoonsun
Nodirbek Roziqulov @Nodirbek
OMAR OSAMA @omar2030
prehentor @prehentor
saidgalimjanov24 @Said
wisejavohir @Javohir1
Yamen mohamed @Yamenmohamed
Youssef Mahmoud @YoussefMahmoud
Yuichi Hamada @Kurukuru
Yuzuki @Yuzuki

The next target is:

Description Date/Time Target
End of week 7 2023-04-16T23:59:00Z 6 matches played
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Hey @Simon for myself and @BradenExplosion I see the target is 6 matches by April 16th. We have a match scheduled for the 17th. Will that be fine as an exception here?

@Bigdonnyv Admittedly, this does not directly answer your question regarding the deadline itself (that would solely be for @Simon , of course), but maybe it can still be helpful in the context, also for others:

As far as I understood @Simon 's comment above about divisions with fewer than 8 athletes, every athlete starts with n played matches at the start of the season, with n = 8 - (number of athletes in the division). That would mean that in div. 1a, which has 7 players, everybody starts for deadline purposes with 1 match already “virtually played”, and all the actually played matches are added to that number. So, in order to pass the April 16th/17th deadline, a div. 1a player would need to have played 5 actual matches, according to my understanding (5 + 1 = 6). Maybe @Simon can confirm :slight_smile: .

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Thanks Simon

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@Simon A question: since the rules have not yet been adapted to there being QFs this season, I assume the QF will also have best of 3 sets, first to 4 with a two-game lead, with a tiebreak at 4-4, because the idea behind having best of 3 sets etc… for semis and the final was to create some symmetry between Slam matches and season finals.

Also, I guess the season ranking points at the end of the Rules doc need to be adjusted: no fixed points for third place (425), but 350 for QF and 500 for semi-final. Points for season winner and runner-up and points for 5th to 8th stay the same. The only change, as far as I can see, would be that if you finish 3rd during the regular season but do not advance past the QF, you would get 350 points instead of 425, a side-effect of there being QFs now.

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Hi all,

The following competitors have unfortunately been removed after missing a second target:

Memory League Name Art of Memory Forum Name
Bekzodjon Yusupov @Mr.Incredible
Evgeny Stanichnikov @Stanichnikov
Medo hossam @Medo
prehentor @prehentor
saidgalimjanov24 @Said
wisejavohir @Javohir1
Yamen mohamed @Yamenmohamed
Youssef Mahmoud go @YoussefMahmoud

The following competitors have missed one target and are on the warning list:

Memory League Name Art of Memory Forum Name
a.l. @a.l
Anne ROBIN @Anne
Braden Adams @BradenExplosion
Egor Eremenko @Egor_Eremenko
Kenny Kennett @Kenny-Kennett
MOHAMED HOSSAM @Mohamedhossam
:fire:𝓝𝓲𝓴𝓵𝓪𝓼 𝓜𝓸𝓸𝓷𝓢𝓾𝓷 :fire:1v1 :crossed_swords:Arena of Memory :stadium: @NiklasMoonsun
Nodirbek Roziqulov @Nodirbek
OMAR OSAMA @omar2030
Vishvaa @vishvaavishvaa1
Yas @Yas
Yuichi Hamada @Kurukuru
Yuzuki @Yuzuki

The final target is to finish all your matches by the end of this week (2023-04-23T23:59:00Z). Please enter your availability as soon as possible if you have matches remaining to play.

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Should I still be on the warning list even tho all matches done for me? :smiley:

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Hi @climbformemory,@SimonReinhard,I couldn’t reach you up for past two weeks,If you See this message, Please tell your Convenient Times,we can see to make it up fast, Thanks…

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Hi Vishvaa,

Sure, let us try to find a fitting date this week. Maybe you can enter your availability on the ML page, so that I can check what would work for me? I would not be available Saturday or Sunday.

Best,
Simon

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Yeah I did,Can we do it on Friday this week any time?

Ok, I did not notice the availability times on ML. But in any case, Friday works for me. How about at 3pm CEST?

Yeah sure that works for me good!,Then Let’s schedule it…

Nice, looking forward to the match :blush:.

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Only 3 days to go until the regular season ends at 2023-04-23T23:59:00Z!

The following matches have not yet been played or scheduled - please enter your availability and schedule the matches as soon as possible.

Division Player 1 Player 2
Division 1a @vishvaavishvaa1 (Vishvaa) @climbformemory (nELSON)
Division 1b @AlexM (Alex Mullen) @Yas (Yas)
Division 2c @guillaumepetitjean (Guillaume Petit-Jean) @Ilya_Gubenko (Ilya Gubenko)
Division 3b @AlHouseen (Al Houseen Hekal) @rizu1 (Rizu)
Division 3b @guilfoyled (guilfoyled) @Helianthus (Helianthus :sunflower:)
Division 4a @Kenny-Kennett (Kenny Kennett) @Jasurbek (Jasurbek)
Division 4a @Mohamedhossam (MOHAMED HOSSAM) @SimonLuisi (Luisi)
Division 4a @Kenny-Kennett (Kenny Kennett) @Mohamedhossam (MOHAMED HOSSAM)
Division 5b @Yulduzkhon (Yulduzxon Abdusamatova) @Anne (Anne ROBIN)
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Hi Simon, I have been trying many times to organize a match with Ilya. It seems he’s very busy. I will try again.

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@Simon

I guess the bracket for the finals will be like this:

QF:

Match 1: 1a vs 4b
Match 2: 2a vs 3b
Match 3: 3a vs 2b
Match 4: 4a vs 1b

SF:

Winner match 1 vs winner match 3
Winner match 2 vs winner match 4

Basically an extension of the “1a vs 2b // 2a vs 1b” structure (which would apply if there were only SFs and the final), with another round added before that.

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