Hi there. ( i read some topics here and find some on internet but i cant find what i am looking)
Can please somebody tell me how i can memorize some books. for example 10-20 ? I have only 3 memory palace (real place) (home, road to work and body).
I know i can some books remember by peg system, but too… i havent enough roads … only shapes, and alphabet and rhyme.
how you remember many books (main ideas or maybe a little more too) ? Use memory palace ? how you can have so many roads ? what is your system ?
Thank you guys
I want just remember some very good books and keep it in my mind. (i appreciate link for information very much too, ty)
First, I’d say get the book that @iOSDeveloper recommended if you can.
I regularly memorize textbook and textbook-like material, and that book looks like it employs many of the techniques I use. And, now that I know about it I want to read it.
The techniques to “memorize books” are fairly straightforward and have become somewhat easy and fun for me.
The hard part (for beginners and advanced mnemonists alike, I believe) is the effort required.
Sometimes I take a book on a walk and create a new memory palace as I walk.
Requirements:
Effort
Material to Memorize
and Sleep (just as important as effort, and I’m being frank).
Begin with a topical structure (it can be the chapter titles or numbers if you like).
Just give each topic or chapter it’s own “area” using the method of loci (you know, use a memorable imaginary thing, person , or scene to associate the area to the topic).
For each area, create sub-loci for the information within the topic or chapter. Use imaginary scenes (placed in an ordered manner) to give your self associative clues/reminders of the information you want to remember in that topic.
Sleep on it, review, add more loci/sub-loci as necessary.
I use anki flash cards to review, but I also keep a list of palaces of the materials I’ve memorized (usually just the names but writing the details out helps too).
Sometimes I just pull out the list of palaces and glance through them to see what I’ve been learning and what I might want to review.
You’ll want more palaces, but anything/anywhere works.
I have entire lists of topics memorized in nooks and crannies of my house. Tmux commands on the living room windows. Important coding concepts above my hung-up guitars. I have the entire Python math module of functions and their categories (there’s god-knows how many, I could count, but it’d take me a minute or two) somewhat arbitrarily memorized using imaginary characters and scenes on the front of some white building in town (above the front doors but all the way across the building front).
I have design patterns (programming) memorized in my palace of my late grandpa’s land (that he once owned but now I only visit in my mind).
An Algebra II textbook runs the length of the street parallel to mine.
My town has murals on buildings, I memorize info by interactively imagining scenes within the murals.
I’ve mapped associations onto palm-sized rocks that I decorated with beds, shells, glitter and glue.
As long as you don’t expect to remember everything immediately you’ll do fine. You need to review (and probably somewhat regularly re-memorize) your newfound associations for the material.
As long as you’re cool with doing that, that’s pretty much the process and it’s fairly straightforward and gets easier and more fun as you play around with it (in my experience).
Many of my imaginary characters end up “developing” personalities in order to give them motivation (i.e, reasons) to do the strange things they do.
a Goal + Intent (the reason they have the goal) = Motivation
This enables me to logically tie strange images and scenes together.
Maybe another way of saying it:
Character motivations are a mnemonic glue.
The method in these videos uses that plus other things like using pattern recognition to make numbering easier (multiples of 10 all happen in black rooms, which is always prefaced by a brilliant white room).
Really good stuff even if you aren’t aiming to memorize James.
I really apreciate your long post with full of information. Thank you very much for your time and afford explain me something when you dont know me even :). ehm… i am not sure about my english so … dont focus on it and i hope you gonna get information from here
I am sorry about my late answer too, I was in work to 4 am, sleep to 12, then immediatelly cooking etc… so i havent time to now and i wanted make some time for answer because your post is pretty voluminous (for me), so i wanted really think about it.
I have some stuff what i think i get but some i dont. I will glad for explain some things, cause i really want understand how i can memorize few books.
so…
I get that i need memory palace. for example … house … 5 rooms. Every rooms gonna be 1 chapter and in the room gonna stuff (loci) and it gonna explain the chapter right ? Or do you think that is better just room=chapter and in the room gonna be only some “story” without “pegs” ? i think memory palace with loci is better but my problem is I dont have enough palaces.
i am very suprised that you have tmux commands “i dont know it… jsut some stuff” only on windows… how ? its linking method there ?(story) or pegs on windows ? (how many ?)
the same thing above your guitars… there is so many space and stuff for pegs or just story is there ?
On the buildings is story right ? you see building and you see movie there ? its interesting that you can remember the specific story there.
The thing with anki i dont understand too :/. i assume, you have some palaces (ex. 20) and you have write there the first and maybe other picture too for use. so when you gonna need some about … harry potter… you can see there what picture is harry potter and other you see in your head maybe … so you can remember more easily ?
I am very glad about your good think post but i dont understand a lot things there i think .
so on my question… how i can remember 20 books when i need 20 memory palaces and i have only 3 is … do memory palace everywhere ? windows, guitar etc… on small stuff too. (but it can be only story there not ?)
i have idea yesterday … i wanted try… that… i have library when i comming often. maybe library gonna like memory palace but not command… in mind i go there and see insteed books some stuff what remember me the book, i see it on “shelf”, i see stuff abreast.
and i gonna have some story to every stuff… so its combinated memory palace with story method. its not so good like memory palace (i cant memorize so many information and know their place well), but for main idea maybe is ok… but i dont know how it gonna work in real.
in any case… memory palaces are better, but i havent enough their for 10 books. i have 3 and i use it already.
maybe i can make some fiction memory palace but i dont know how it gonna work in real too… gonna i remember the stuff in this fiction place … i dont know… and so many fiction place… harder that only 1.
so …
the advice is do loci on windows or story there ? or …
Thank youuu
Thanks for this. It looks very interesting… i gonna look for it.
EDIT: i am looking now… wow… there is fiction memory palace used ? its so interesting… i am really interest when its really work. It look very impressive from start … i thought its course to start with mnemotic techiques but its specific for books… it gonna be really helpful. thank you
I wrote my response in English and had ChatGPT help me break it down into Czech.
Let me know if I made mistakes! Thanks!
English:
I prefer to use loci along with a story, but I can create additional loci by making very memorable things happen within a measured space. By “measured space,” I mean I can divide a very uninteresting looking wall or area into roughly even divisions and make the key points of the story happen in each of those divisions, thereby turning a boring space where I would usually only have one loci into multiple loci because the story actions happen in clearly different “sub”-areas of the space.
Czech:
Preferuji používat loci spolu s příběhem, ale mohu vytvořit další loci tím, že v určitém měřeném prostoru udělám velmi zapamatovatelné věci. Měřeným prostorem myslím, že mohu rozdělit velmi nezajímavou zeď nebo oblast na přibližně rovnoměrné části a hlavní body příběhu umístit do každé z těchto částí, čímž proměním nudný prostor, kde bych obvykle měl pouze jedno loci, na více loci, protože akce příběhu se odehrávají v jasně odlišných “pod”-oblastech prostoru.
English:
Example: The Tmux commands begin on the windows (they are large and about 8 panes per window: 4 for the upper area of each window, 4 for the bottom area that slides up to open the window). In each pane, I picture about two story events, but if I can make it very memorable, I’ll do more story events sometimes.
Czech:
Příklad: Tmux příkazy začínají na oknech (jsou velká a mají asi 8 okenních tabulek na okno: 4 pro horní část každého okna, 4 pro spodní část, která se vysouvá, aby otevřela okno). V každé tabulce si představuji asi dvě události příběhu, ale pokud to mohu udělat velmi zapamatovatelné, občas přidám více událostí.
English:
Each story event affects the very next story event so that no story event could make sense without the one before it happening. At one window pane, a character is peeing into the next window pane causing the next scene. In this way, each story event also exists as a peg.
Czech:
Každá událost příběhu ovlivňuje následující událost tak, že žádná událost příběhu nedává smysl bez té předchozí. V jedné okenní tabulce postava močí do další tabulky, což způsobuje další scénu. Tímto způsobem každá událost příběhu také funguje jako peg.
English:
The guitars are more chaotic. It starts in the space just below my ceiling. I have 3 categories to remember: Data Structures, Algorithms, and Concepts. I also have 3 guitars hung up. Above each guitar, I imagine the start of a story about that category.
Czech:
Kytary jsou chaotičtější. Začíná to v prostoru těsně pod stropem. Mám 3 kategorie, které si potřebuji zapamatovat: Datové struktury, Algoritmy a Koncepty. Mám také 3 zavěšené kytary. Nad každou kytarou si představuji začátek příběhu o dané kategorii.
English:
For Data Structures, I have the character Data from Star Trek holding together a “structure”. For each piece of information, I move down the wall and onto the guitars using a story, but each part of the story can only happen because of the events before (and therefore above) it. Three separate stories, but each starts parallel to each other, and each ends at the base of the guitar.
Czech:
Pro Datové struktury mám postavu Data ze Star Treku, která drží pohromadě “strukturu”. Pro každou informaci se pohybuji dolů po zdi a na kytary pomocí příběhu, ale každá část příběhu se může stát jen kvůli předchozím událostem (a tedy nad nimi). Tři samostatné příběhy, ale každý začíná paralelně vedle sebe a každý končí u základny kytary.
English:
Same for the white building. I divide a boring measured space into more areas using a story. Each story event happens only as a result of the event before it (sometimes I break this rule as long as it’s memorable).
Czech:
Stejně tak pro bílou budovu. Nudný měřený prostor rozděluji na více oblastí pomocí příběhu. Každá událost příběhu se stane jen v důsledku předchozí události (někdy toto pravidlo poruším, pokud je to zapamatovatelné).
English:
As for Anki cards: I only put questions and answers on the cards. They are regular flash cards. I don’t put any of the mnemonic devices on the cards. I use them like regular cards to quiz myself and see if I can answer real-world questions. The real-world answers are on the back of the cards. No references to my mnemonic stories or characters are made.
Czech:
Pokud jde o Anki karty: Na kartičky dávám pouze otázky a odpovědi. Jsou to běžné flash karty. Nepoužívám na nich žádné mnemotechnické pomůcky. Používám je jako běžné karty k testování sebe sama a zjištění, zda mohu odpovědět na reálné otázky. Skutečné odpovědi jsou na zadní straně karet. Nejsou uvedeny žádné odkazy na mé mnemotechnické příběhy nebo postavy.
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You did explain me the stuff I dont think it is possible so easy and i dont know sure about your afford with it, but you understand very accurate what i meant and explain it very well !
I really appreciated your afford with translate for me , Thanks
I understand now. Its very helpful technique for remember a lot stuff ! I like the idea of cut area on smaller parts
So “my” idea with library and stories isnt bad right ? imagine library (real place, but dont know there much well), and see there in shelfs stuff (one for one book) and every stuff gonna connected with other for better memorize and every stuff gona have story with start with this item. So i try this for remember some key ideas from books. but for more detail info from book i need bigger memory palace something like in this video with bible posted here. Its Amazing ! but figure it out all alone its tooo much work for every book, invent place, persons, character, story etc … enough good for memorize… not easy i think, but that very good for detail info from book.
I think its gonna make with your system too, sure, but i am ok with key idea anyway for now.
So i try this, thank you
Q: y… and when you split off the wall for example to more areas… its only imagine border or in every are is different stuff like in one is water in second is lava in third is vakuum etc… or all same ? ty
PS: the idea with anky is verrrrrrry gooood !! i like it so much too… i gonna definatelly use it for leatning and testing not only mnemotic memory but everything !! TY(ill try quizlet maybe… seem pretty good too)
I also enjoyed the below video with Johannes Mallow interviewing Ronald Johnson on his process on memorizing books with a memory palace. Ronald also talks about experimentation and taking notes, which I think is important in finding out what works and doesn’t work for you and what hurdles you face when implementing certain strategies. I’m a beginner myself so I’m also struggling with the specific implementation steps.
I do have a couple of memory palaces, but I’m also facing a lot of questions when processing books like:
for the broad outline it seems quite intuitive e.g. 10 chapters => 10 loci, but what if you want to add additional structure or information about more details of the book. Do you incrementally add additional symbols to the existing locations or do you think about it all upfront first scanning the book to make sure your memory palace aligns to the structure of the book. Or do you point to new memory palaces to elaborate on the content of specific chapters…
how to propagate information from the book to “broader” categories e.g. specific learnings from a book that you want to store in a “generic” mnemonics knowledge memory palace
A lot of questions, but I’ll just need to dive in and experiment I suppose but I feel your struggle!
Don’t worry about inventing characters, story, places, and imaginary scenes right away.
Začněte jednoduše a pravidelně si prohlížejte jednoduché věci, které si zapamatujete (je na vás, jak často byste měli opakovat, abyste si informace pamatovali, každý je jiný a některé informace—a jejich obrazy—budou vyžadovat více úsilí než jiné).
After between 1 and 3 days, your grasp of the information will be stronger, which means adding more details will be simpler (than on the first day you memorized it).
Po 1 až 3 dnech bude vaše uchopení informací silnější, což znamená, že přidání dalších podrobností bude jednodušší (než první den, kdy jste si to zapamatovali).
That’s why I say start simple because with regular review and sleep, what seems complicated will become simple, and so you’re always adding simple things onto simple things.
Proto říkám začněte jednoduše, protože pravidelným opakováním a spánkem se to, co se zdá být složité, stane jednoduchým, a tak vždy přidáváte jednoduché věci na jednoduché věci.
It will almost always seem simple to you (as my palaces seem simple to me), but when you explain the memory palaces you have added onto over time, other people will say “Wow! That sounds complicated!”
Vám se to bude zdát téměř vždy jednoduché (jako mně se mé paláce zdají jednoduché), ale když vysvětlíte paměťové paláce, které jste časem přidali, ostatní lidé řeknou “Wow! To zní složitě!”
You will try to memorize a few new concepts and then one day you will forget some information you already memorized. —That is when you will create new elements (like character motivation or a story action that has an impossible to ignore effect on the next scene) that you didn’t have before.
Budete se snažit zapamatovat si několik nových konceptů a jednoho dne zapomenete některé informace, které jste si již zapamatovali. —To je okamžik, kdy vytvoříte nové prvky (jako je motivace postavy nebo akce příběhu, která má neodbytný vliv na další scénu), které jste předtím neměli.
Always allow the process to be simple. Simplicity keeps the memorization process easy. Let it be easy and enjoyable. Then you’ll have fun, it won’t seem hard, and you’ll memorize more things because it makes you smile and feel good (and, of course, it helps you remember!).
Vždy nechte proces být jednoduchý. Jednoduchost udržuje proces zapamatování snadný. Nechte to být snadné a zábavné. Pak se budete bavit, nebude to vypadat těžké a zapamatujete si více věcí, protože vás to rozesměje a budete se cítit dobře (a samozřejmě vám to pomůže si pamatovat!).
Do what is easiest. The effort you make should mostly go into the process of visualizing vividly and organizing the information you want to remember. If adding an obvious border helps you, do that. If it makes the process less enjoyable, don’t worry about it.
Dělejte to, co je nejjednodušší. Úsilí, které vynaložíte, by mělo jít hlavně do procesu živého vizualizování a organizování informací, které chcete pamatovat. Pokud vám pomůže přidat zjevnou hranici, udělejte to. Pokud to činí proces méně příjemným, nedělejte si s tím starosti.
All that matters is:
You must make the effort to memorize
You must review the information periodically
You must sleep to allow your brain to strengthen your memorized associations to the material
You must occasionally make the effort to improve weak associations
Vše, na čem záleží, je:
Musíte vynaložit úsilí na zapamatování
Musíte periodicky opakovat informace
Musíte spát, aby váš mozek posílil vaše zapamatované asociace s materiálem
Musíte občas vynaložit úsilí na zlepšení slabých asociací
Keep the process easy!
Udržujte proces jednoduchý!
I do all of these. But not all of them all the time.
For number 2: Sometimes I do a detailed analyses of the structure. That can be very helpful in the long run.
—To keep the process easy, I usuallyeyeball it. This improves your skill at determining how much space things will require. Just like an apprentice chef adds too much or too little salt. At first you’ll make a lot of mistakes. But you learn. We all learn and adapt, we’re human, it’s natural process for us just like it’s natural for spiders to spin webs.
This will make sense once you’re further in the process. There are multiple ways, and you’ll use different methods at different times.
Sometimes I create an index memory palace.
That’s a palace whose sole purpose is to connect ideas from other palaces together in a structured way. Sometimes. There are many methods.
Memory palaces become very dreamlike, I think. They can have their own logic that makes perfect sense to you, but explaining the dream logic only results in a nonsense explanation and very confused listeners!
Enjoy the process!
I dig that video of Ronald Johnson, btw. Really great ideas in there.
Again you can see how he uses “patterns” to clue him in to the order of his palaces and processes.
Examples:
He uses various levels of urban density to provide contrasts (so he knows the “next” palace/area will be less dense because the “current” area is very dense).
He uses symbolism/metaphor as a template to recall the structure of his palaces (he knows there will usually be a piece of art and also a specific song associated with a palace).
In these ways he’s using metaphor and patterns to cue his memory for what information he might find, and what came before and what will come after each palace.
Thanks for video. I watched it already and other 2 videos with him too.
Its really insteresting hear somebody who really live it. Its sound so complex, big, detail, real… its amazing
I definatelly take some points of it not only for memorize books but generally.
I made notes
some of them
you are an architect so be free and confident about palaces.
Really use emotions, associations and other parts of you in it.
use material like Gold, wood, silver for more specific buildings and know their properties for better imagination and logic.
cities build us not other way. So build palaces with good emotions because mindset and emotions is part of life so good emotions are important and build palaces charecter by charecter material to memorize.
main for me, cause i thought i havent enough memory palaces but … i dont realise i dont have to use only place i know really well, i can use every restaurant, story, park, road, friend house etc, and even places where in my past. so i have more palaces now
from other video i find some like this **** (3d house road throught house {sell house web}) and i can use this too so … nice
about memorizing books i am suprised that he used a lot palaces for 1 book. I thought 1 is enough (8 rooms, every room chapter and stuff in rooms like key ideas in chapters), or maybe 1 chapter = 1 palace but i dont think i need more like 10 stuff remember from 1 chapter and do memory palace for 5 parts example … why not, or can be 10+ when i need more details … of course.
BUT… he use not 1 palace, not 1 for chapter but some for 1 chapter… its too many palaces for one book and i really dont expect it… i understant it when you want remember maybe a lot detail from book/chapters, otherwise … i dont know… this is advanced for me now.
But now i know that i have more palaces what i ll can create so i can put 1 book to 1 palace (its enough for me i think), one of my problems was i havent enough palaces, so that it
Ok, i understand that concept i know that brain needs some time to recovery for better learning. Thanks for tip, ill use it. In any case story and characters are very helpful i think with remembering information then.
i have effort
i downloaded anki now
i have enough sleep
i get it, ty
I was studying yestrday 3 h, today too so i have now pretty enough information now for store and use, now i can use it in life.
I want to try the course with bible cause its seem really interesting but for my memorize books (key info) I use just 1 palace with ex. 35 places (8x4 +3 bonus). 8 = chapters, 4 info for everyone. i try the 3d sold house app and i ll make palace there. cause i think i dont know well the real places for 35 pegs, but i maybe travel somewhere and try something
So i think i know what i needed for now and now i gonna experiment and write notes and make it
Thank you so much for helped me with it .
PS: other topic… but i dont want make other thread, maybe u can answer.
*i know how memorize names but… what if have somebody same “weird thing/file/focus point” like somebody other. For example forehead or nose and nothing else i cant use and even i could this other thing is already used like that one. * When i gonna have 5 people with forehead dont gonna mix me that then ? i dont know. only Q what i was thinking now. (on the face is limited things i can use i think so i was thinking) TY
Only want to know how. I dont memorize books only important ideas or details. The other I use study techniques. I use link and others. Dont know how use well the palace to study.
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I dont think it is possible so easy and i dont know sure about your afford with it, but you understand very accurate what i meant and explain it very well !
