How long to get under 1minute memorizing a deck of card using pao system or 2 card system what do you guys think what is the faster

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PAO or other single card approaches need twice as many elements to encode a deck as a 2-card system.

Single card systems take much less time to learn and become fluent with. (A PAO requires 156 elements). So the effort is more about building recognition speed to be able to compose scenes with those elements quickly. 52 elements means about 1 second spent per element to get you under a minute. (This is including both the time it takes to recognize and visualize the element associated with the card, and the time it takes to assemble a memorable scene while navigating through a series of loci.)

With a 2-card system, you’ll need to learn at least 8 times the amount of associations as a single card PAO. (1352 total with a 2-block system, 2704 with a “true” 2-card system.) This requires much more effort up front, but the payoff is that you get to take twice as much time when memorizing to achieve the same result. You can spend over 2 seconds per element and stay under 1 minute.

So it depends on how you prefer to approach training. Single card will require less work initially to learn, but more effort to grind your application speed. 2-card will take more effort to build and learn, but once you’re fluent, one minute feels twice as easy to get to.

I’d recommend starting with a single card PO or PAO and get a baseline sense of your speed. Test yourself at increasing speeds. Once you reach a speed thats “too fast” where you miss more than one or two cards, thats where you should start. Then try to push about 5% faster than that. Once thats comfortable and you can score fairly well, speed up by another 5%. See if you can keep progressing. If you feel like you get to a wall where you just can’t get any faster, consider a 2-card system.

The system matters less than the amount if effort you spend applying it. Incredibly fast championship level times have been achieved using both approaches.

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Is this a way to change a one card system? If cat is 7â—‡ name all 52 pairs that start with 7â—‡. Eventually rename all 52 cards.

From 4â—‡ 7â—‡ 9â—‡ rat cat bat.
To 4◇ 7◇◇9 rat canopy
729 gives canopy
7 k
2 from diamoNd
9 p

There are 16 suit combinations. You’ll need a way to identify all of them without having them conflict with reading any other. This can be done by assigning a sound to a suit combination either individually or via a 2-block structure. There are a few different ways to do this.

There are also 13 values, so you’ll need to account for the J Q and K in a way that keeps them unique from the standard number values.

Ben system does this amd many people have modified that to their own preferences. Shadow System is another approach.

My method is a modified major approach which makes use of single starting sounds and retains a consistent reading structure. Details here:

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