I am curious how would have been Kim Peek’s memory if he had taken The Knowlage(It is a test and those who pass it after studying for it can recall locations better) and if he would have used memory techniques like the Journey method to futher improve his memory.
And also do you think that Kim Peek would have won if he would have taken part in World Memory Championship as if I am correct then Kim Peek before his death had the world’s best memory and he had had the recall of 98.6% and I think that he also did not need to review as had memorised at least 12000 books and was able to retain the information in those books.
We don’t know how he would perform but I don’t think he would win.
There is a video of kim peek where he has to do a digit span test and he was already making mistakes at the 7 digit mark. He did correct himself every time but how many mistakes can he correct if he had to memorize hundreds of digits? Probably not many.
I think he would’ve performed very well in memorizing random words and names since his 98% recall was solely on books he read. He might’ve even won this category, who knows.
His recall of images was probably also very good. He knew all the zipcodes in the united states, all the cities, roads etc. He probably would’ve performed very well in the picture category too. We don’t know how fast he could memorize cards though. Could he memorize a full deck? Could he memorize a deck in less than 1 minute or less than 30 seconds or instantly if he looked at? We don’t know.
It is very difficult to say how he would’ve performed precisely but I do think that he wouldn’t have won. From my experience, mnemonic devices are on a different level compared to natural excellent memory. It seems that with mnemonic devices you can memorize a lot of almost anything and improve whereas natural excellent memory can perform really well compared to the average person but often has areas where it lacks and can’t be improved.
Why should he be allowed to compete?
WMC is about using mnemonics to memorize different types of information quickly, not about who has the best natural memory (that is a memory unassisted by mnemonics), even if it is a ‘natural’ memory, that is a result of happenstance unfortunate or otherwise.
I’d argue that anyone should be able to join the WMC whether or not they use mnemonics or their natural memory. Besides, the Kim Peeks of the world are exceedingly rare and may not function well in the WMC as @albinoblanke, so there are no worries of them making competitions unfair.
Well and I think that Journey Method is a mnemonic and Kim Peek Could read a page of a book in 1 second and retain 98.6% of that information(I think without needing to revise as he had memorized over 12000 books in his lifetime and I do not think he could revise all of them and during his lifetime he had retained what he had remembered).
And had Kim Peek taken the knowledge and passed it due to his memory his Hippocampus would have been much larger and he would be remember locations even better and if you will combine that with the use of memory techniques or mnemonics like the Journey method in which locations are used he would have been able to remember other types of information much better.
And as for memorizing cards I think that he would be able to convert the numbers of cards in to words or sentences(for which he had a great memory) and also to images if he would have used the Mnemonic Major System(As his recall of images would have also been very good) but any way the Mnemonic Major System would have strengthened his memory(And based to a post which I have read in this forum I think that it is very fast).
And I also think that the Mnemonic Major System is much faster than the Major System and if what I have said in this sentence is incorrect then please correct me.
Well the Major System converts numbers into words and maybe sentences (Kim Peek had a great memory for Sentences) and in the Mnemonic Major System not only the same things are done but also the the words are converted into images (Who I think Kim Peek had a great memory for) and I think that if the Mnemonic Major System in used with the Journey or the Memory Palace System by a Peson who has passed The Knowledge(And thus has a good or great memory for locations) then the recall of that person will be even better and his speed of recall will improve by double if he uses a Dual Mapped Memory Palace,
What gives you that idea? All research has shown is that people who took the Knowledge had a larger hippocampus than before. You need to cite an experiment that shows that these people will have an easier time memorizing locations in an unknown environment (say Paris, Singapore, etc.) than somebody who hasn’t taken the Knowledge. Have you found any research on that?
Okay, so just a term you made up then. The Major system, much like Katapayadi (कटपयादि) or Dominic, is simply a code you can use to translate digits (0-9) into letters. If you use these letters to create words is then up to you. The same goes for turning these words into Images.
No I din’t and here is the Wikipedia link of the Mnemonic Major System and
And by using Raymon Campayo’s system of reusing facts I think that a person will have an easier time remembering location and according to my memory of a research paper the people who have taken or passes the knowledge are unable to easily remember information about new locations which can be migrated by using the system of reusing facts by Raymon Campayo.
And an BBC article has this information which is -
“they were better at memory tasks involving London landmarks than the non-cabbie”
And in the Journey method information is associated with landmarks and the people who had attempted The Knowlage which increases the memory of landmarks had better memory of landmarks which is used in the Journey method which according to what I have read is another name for the Memory Palace Method
Right, which makes it clear that the Mnemonic Major System and the Major System are one and the same and you simply made up the fact that the former has images whereas the latter only has words!
The system works by converting numbers into consonant sounds, then into words by adding vowels. The system works on the principle that images can be remembered more easily than numbers.
It says right there exactly what I told you…
Also…
…when you say “according to my memory of a research paper” what in the world is that supposed to mean? You’re funny! Btw, do you mean mitigated rather than migrated?
…which is exactly what I said before… it compares London cabbies to London non-cabbies on London landmarks; however, you said
…which there is simply no evidence for. Show me research that these people have a better memory for new locations than people that didn’t take the Knowledge. The fact that they are better on London landmarks means nothing… after all they spent months memorizing them.
Well I had incorrect knowledge about the Major System and after watching some videos on Youtube I thought that the mnemonic Major System and Major System are different.
And was overconfident in my knowledge of English and because of this I did not check that the word migrated meant moving from one place to another but I had thought that it meant reduced in the sentence that I spoke, For example-
The sentence “He is Mad” when said by a person can have two meanings one meaning is that the person who is being called mad is really mad and the second meaning is that the person who is calling another person mad is making fun of the another person whom he is calling mad, and I think that I made a similar mistake which people who are learning a new language make in that language.
Well I think that Kim Peek had damage to his dorsolateral prefrontal cortex as he sadly had brain damage and the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is involved in error prediction and also here are some words from a book “Know your brain” -
Patients who suffer damage confined to the prefrontal cortex often display normal movement, sensory perception, and even intelligence. But they frequently experience deficits in executive functions, along with personality changes, abnormalities in emotional responses, and general difficulty functioning in their daily lives.
and I think this explains some if not all of his emotional responses and also his general difficulty in functioning in his everyday life and we also know that he had damage in his Cerebelum “which coordinates voluntary movements such as posture, balance, coordination, and speech, resulting in smooth and balanced muscular activity”,-From the Healthline,which I think can also explain the way he spoke and “Patients with prefrontal cortex damage tend to perform poorly on tasks that require the use of long-term strategies and the inhibition of impulses. They also often display short-term memory deficits, which may help to explain some of their difficulties in planning”,-From NeuroScientificallyChallanged.
And the information from NeuroScientificallyChallanged may explain the behavior of Kim Peek after failing to recall a number which I think is not his fault.
And maybe by creating a positive future story; optimism is associated with rising levels of dopamine which engages the brain by visualization Kim Peek could increase his recall of brain as this exercises the Prefrontal Cortex and it would have been interesting to test the efficiency of directions given by Kim Peek if he would passed “The Knowledge” as London cab drivers who have passed “The Knowledge” can give the best directions around the roads London and maybe any other location in the world and when Kim Peek was alive he could already give very short directions to others for going from one place to another and I also do not know what would have happened if he would have taken “The Knowledge” and then tried to solve many instances of Travelling Salesman problem with the length of his route being compared to the best routes in the Travelling Salesman Problem.
And Since the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is involved in error prediction which Kim Peek could do very well and immediately after incorrectly recalling a number despite facing the effects of the pitiable damage in his prefrontal cortex and I think that if Kim Peek’s Prefrontal Cortex would have not been damaged then he would have performed even better when recalling numbers if he would have used The Major System(Which is a Dual Coding Sratergy)which when used with retrieval practice provides The content(The “What”) of studying,Information gained from visioninpracticeblog, which I think would have increased his recall and I also think that it would have made some more neurons which encode for the “What” of memory to fire,Probably in the Hippocampus which I think is good for memory as memory athletes have increased activity in the Memory and Cognition areas in their brain.