Simple question, what is the minimum number of images for a system that contains one image of two cards?
We all know that the lowest two-card system currently that contains a small number of images is the shadow system and contains 1352 images, and some confirmed that there can be no system less than this number except by adding touches. Cut the image, but in reality this is a card system or an AO system. Therefore, many said that a system cannot come less than the shadow system in the number of images. I thought about trying the shadow system, but it is not suitable for Arabic cards because it contains 4 colors, so I decided to go for another system, which is the jan system for cards that contains 425 images, I think, but it is not a two-card system, but you can say one and a half card system. When I prepared all the pictures and started practicing on the jan system, but I had a problem with the real cards. It is a miracle to get less than 25 seconds because it takes a lot of time to push four cards at once, and it also takes a lot of time. I have a goal, which is to compete strongly for the next tournament. In the memory league, but I have weaknesses that I have to develop in order to enter the championship strongly, and the jan system felt that it might take a lot of time, especially since the time of the creator of the system, which is jan zoñ, is 18 seconds, so I sat down and thought about a new two-card system that fits all types of cards. I was determined to The two-card system because I saw a faster improvement for the users of the two-card system compared to other card systems, and after a long thought, I came up with this system, which I do not think had occurred to anyone before me (the system will be explained in the next message)
In the cards, if we calculate all the possible images for two different values, we will get 169 images. So here it is wonderful? We have the number of images for each of the two suits in a specific order, which is 16 possible shapes. In the beginning, we will practice creating images of values and saving them, and upon completion, we will create 16 memory palaces, each palace contains 26 locations, and we will allocate a special palace for each of the two suits in a specific order (you must memorize your palaces by heart because the method depends mainly on the palaces, just like the shadow system that says if The first two cards came, starting with red or black, etc.) When you allocate a special palace for each of the two suits… you start taking the first two cards in the group that you want to save, then you recognize the picture of the two values (so here you understand?) and then you look at the two suits, let’s say that they are 
You go directly to the first location in the palace of these two suits and put the image of the values in it, and then the third and fourth cards. You recognize the pictures of the section, then you look at the two suits, suppose they are diamonds and clubs. For the values, then the allowances, and put the picture in the third location in the palace for the two suits, . So in classic competitions it will change just like a chameleon that changes color based on the appropriate situation. Here you will change the order and take 4 cards and take the image of the first and second values, but how do you know the suits? Here you will take a picture of the four suits, and this is the Jan system for those who do not know it. This system has an advantage that is not found in all card systems, which is the reasonable number of pictures. Also, the picture of the suits can come with the cards that you forgot. If you forget the picture of the suits and remember the values directly, you will know the suits based on the remaining cards and also it is A card system and a half, and it can be mastered faster than the shadow system or the bin system, and for those who have questions, I am ready. Thank you
In short, the first two cards are in the first location, the two cards that are in the second location, and the two cards that are after the third site, but the palace is determined by the shape of the suits
So we have just 169 images
Sorry for the bad translation anyone who has a question I am there
Now I use PAO because I haven’t fixed all the deficiencies
I understand that you can peg all combinations of 2 cards with 169 images (13 x 13). I also comprehend the you could have 16 different palaces representing the 2 paired suit values. 16 x 169 = 2 704 (all good so far for one deck memorization). But here is the bit I don’t understand: If you use 26 loci to put your paired-combinations of cards into, how do you differentiate the first-card-pairing from the second-card-pairing from the third-card-pairing etc?
All well and good to use your chameleon memory palaces of which there will be 16 different ones for each card pairing, but somewhere in your model you need to know what card pairing is the 1st, the 2nd, the 3rd and so on. The only way I can see you doing that is by attaching a number-shape image to each pair that you are putting into any one of the 16 different palaces designating your suits or am I perhaps missing something in your system?
When the answer you will pass through all the palaces. Suppose you went to the Palace of Diamonds and Clubs and found in the third location the picture of the number 76. Leave four cards for the first and second locations, and go to the fifth and sixth cards, and put a card of 6 diamonds and 7 clubs
This system is only suitable for fast cards, and I set it to cancel the speed advantage for those who use the shadow system
In the classic competitions, you will use the Jan system, which is similar to this system. Take two pictures for the four values and an additional picture for the suits. The Jan system does not require jumping between palaces.
Hi Naser,I like this idea, because I planned the same idea of 169 images and 16 locations for 26 palaces few months back,On my opinion this method could possibly go really faster,even possible for a wr not sure;. I later dropped this technique,So maybe I need to start training it again lol
Yes, vishva also, I think you are planning to compete in the world championship in card competitions for an hour. You can change to the Jan system, and in the memory league it will gain you a great speed, perhaps faster than Alex, because Alex has 1352 pictures and you are 169 pictures, so its mastery and speed are greater
Should be clear with practice you can overtake Alex I mean logically 169 is faster than 1352
How did you know my thinking?
Yeah WR
And your strong in cards why your want change your system ?
Very interesting! As someone who is just starting to scratch the surface of Shadow and 2-block, this idea is fascinating!
Just so I have it right, you have a specific image for each value combination (13 x 13 = 169) and then a specific location that indicates each suit pair (4 x 4 = 16.)
EDIT: I think I misunderstood this part initially! Disregard whats in here if incorrect!
What I’m a bit confused about is how you encode. If I understand right, you’d be using something like a “competition palace” for the specific deck to memorize, say 26 loci for one pair of cards each. When visualizing, do you go to the first loci and place the “code” location for the suit value, and then in that you place the value? Sort of like a nesting doll of locations?
Say the first card pair is 2spades + 3hearts. If the first competition palace loci is your front door, and the first card-pair suit combination loci is the grocery store fruit display where you’re stored “spades+hearts”, and the values are 2 and 3 which you’ve visualized as Nemo… Would you picture something like “at my front door there is a fruit display where NeMo is swimming through and eating all the fruit.”?
How do you make multiple suit combos interact to reduce the total loci?
Would adding 16 modifiers (like adjectives) as suit-values instead of making them loci-dependent be quicker or easier? So instead of visualizing “spades-hearts” as living in the grocery freezer, “spades-hearts” is “bloody.” Maybe “diamonds-diamonds” is “regal.” This way, you have a “bloody Nemo” doing something with a “regal oLaF” to represent 2S - 3H - 5D - 8D? That encodes four cards, with no need to nest loci.
Either way, value encoding could take an already learned 2-digit system for the Number-Number combos. You’d just need 69 new images for the combos containing court cards…
Thoughts?
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I will answer you, but not now, now that I am traveling
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This is a really interesting idea. I think jumping between palaces would slow me down, but maybe with a lot of practice it would be doable. One thing though - when you said the ‘shadow system’, I think you meant the 2-block system (variable loci)? For example, I use variable loci (1352 images) but have my own phonetics, somewhat different from the Shadow System.
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Here’s a clearer picture of what I mean about using adjective modifiers to indicate suit pairs. I came up with intuitive (to me) adjectives to indicate the suits… Spades - Dirty because they dig in gardens. Heart - bloody because blood… etc.
First suit is an overall look modifier, second suit is an action modifier. This would help fill in details in the mental image quickly without much extra work on first glance.
| FIRST SUIT | SECOND SUIT | SUIT-COMBO |
|---|---|---|
 dirty |
sickly |
dirty-sickly |
| bloody |
infatuated |
dirty-infatuated |
 muscular |
enraged |
dirty-enraged |
 regal |
snobby |
dirty-snobby |
| bloody-sicky |
||
| bloody-infatuated |
||
| bloody-angry |
||
| bloody-snobby |
||
| muscular-sickly |
||
| muscular-infatuated |
||
| muscular-enraged |
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| muscular-snobby |
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| regal-sickly |
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| regal-infatuated |
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| regal-enraged |
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| regal-snobby |
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I re-read your explanation and I think I understand now! I think it’s constructed differently than I first thought!
You have 16 palaces (each representing a suit combination.) Each palace has 26 loci, representing each possible card-pair position?
Whatever the suit combination is for the first pair, you place in the first loci of the appropriate palace. If the second suit pair is the same, it goes in the second loci of that palace. If it’s different, you jump to the appropriate palace and place it on loci 2 there. The 13th card pair goes into the 13th loci of whatever suit-pair palace applies. So, in the end you’ll have many palaces that are partially empty and even some that could be totally empty depending on luck of the draw…
On recall, would you need to quickly go through each palaces loci for each position? So in trying to recall what pair was at loci 7, would you quickly scan all palaces’ position 7’s until you encountered an image?
Hope I’m understanding this correctly, it sounds really interesting!
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Actually, I wrote a long message about the problem of jumping between sites, but I deleted the message as soon as an example came to my mind, which is | The world record in dates is Prateik Yadav’s 154. If you didn’t know, he uses the jumping method between locations.
I mean the two-block system in general, whether the shadow or bin system
I’ll try to generate some ideas.
Basic idea is that we remember image, loci and how image is connected. Loci position and connection type can also deliver information about cards.
Connection types can be just different actions with a location or something else.
For example lay on loci, climb the loci, grab the loci, spins on the loci, cut into the loci, etc.
If you have 16 connection types for 169 images system, you don’t need 16 memory palaces with 26 loci each.
A possible problem is that maybe in fast memorisation there is no time for different connection types.
For the first card pair you have 16 locations for 16 suit combinations.
But you can memorise all 26 card pairs on these 16 locations. Some locations will be empty, some will contain maybe 5 images. In this case you can remember all pairs, but their sequence is missing.
Loci don’t tell, which card pair goes after which.
So you should memorise pairs order somehow else.
Maybe it will be good to imagine physically moving through locations or use story method simoltaniously with loci.
Maybe it is possible to memorise the order automatically. If it is only possible to memorise order of 4 card pairs, you can use 7 groups of 16 locations (instead of 26 groups of 16 locations or 1 group of 16 locations): 4,4,4,4,4,4 and 2 card pairs.
In some type of shadow system you stay on location in case of black card and move to next locations in case of red card. As Johannes Mallow said, you can expand the idea: you can jump over one location, 2 locations or maybe go to previous location.
You can combine this technique with your 16 palaces technique:
If you have 4 such types of moving to location, then 4 palaces will be enough. In case of jumping over locations, each palace should contain more than 26 locations (Or just loop from 26th location to 1st location).
If you’ve already associated distinct actions with number 01-16 in a PAO system, those could be used as consistent peg connections?
You could even use 20-36, 40-56, 60-76, and 80-96 to give yourself 4 additional “palaces” maybe to get through 5 decks in one sitting?