Rote vs Memory techniques

No, I am not asking which is better, I know memory techniques are better and with training, a lot more effective than rote. They make studying and memorization a lot more fun and I have already invested too much in memory techniques to go back​:joy:.

So my point is comparing ‘normal’ studying and memory assisted studying. I wasn’t a ‘bad’ student in secondary school, in fact I was often accused of being intelligent​:joy:. Before I entered university, I read some materials in preparation and forgot most of their content after some time, I think that’s what ignited the spark to better learn the memory techniques.

In secondary school, I got along just fine with nothing more than a few acrostics and acronyms here and there and simple word mnemonics, a lot of which were hastily formed for an exam or test and forgotten soon after. I read Harry Lorayne’s book in my final year of school but hardly used the techniques, I can actually remember only one actual usage of the link method for school work. Mostly just simple visualizations.

When I entered university, I noticed to my utmost dismay that I could not recall anything after reading a whole page. In fact I have tried active recall with a paragraph and failed :sob:, I could maybe remember the main gist of the chapter (of course, I consciously chose the topic) but hardly anything on the specific page. I think this would have been better if I tried by subtopics instead. I was worried my memory was somehow failing, so I spent time analysing my method from secondary school and comparing to my university experience.

Here are my findings, they maybe correct or not:

  1. In secondary school, I hardly engaged in long-term study (studying without an exam or test approaching) I mainly practised calculations and then read for theory exams days before or on the morning of the exam (this may be a cause of my avoidance of reviews?). I have done the opposite in university, starting with theory subjects ( I didn’t still finish any) and now trying to play catch-up with calculations that need constant practice, can I just say, I regret this. But at the end I am going for a career with a lot of theory (MEDICINE) so I need to get better at this.
  2. Looking back, I don’t think I really tried active recall as I am trying now, my method of reading was more of reading main points in my note, do maybe definitions, features those kind of things, not normally (casually) but trying to memorize them, I think my main method was logical connections.
  3. In secondary school, the material was a lot less condensed, and a lot was very logical so I could just read main points, and expand on them if needed in an essay exam after all I was in the class, so I have a basic understanding of the concepts.
  4. The teachers were a lot better then and notes were really enough to get me through the exam. Now, my lecturers do not cover the course outline, the learning conditions are not conducive and I sometimes unavoidably miss lectures.There are also no concise notes that I am sure the exams won’t exceed which leaves me with a large volume of materials to cover and I am not sure what the main points in any given topic are. A lecturer went as far as advising us to read beyond the course outline​:sad_but_relieved_face:and nowadays I seem to have an opposite reaction to pressure (more pressure makes me want to rest more​:upside_down_face:)
  5. The only exception to my not engaging in long term studying was for a final exam, which combined knowledge from three years of senior secondary school which into an exam on four subjects, and as I think about it now, I must have been saved by constant practice of the past questions, so for most new topics I approached, I already had ‘hooks’ for the information due to having come across it in past questions before and/or after studying.

So here I am again, I have had a bittersweet relationship with memory techniques, sometimes even thinking about giving them up​:sad_but_relieved_face:, other times wondering how my life will be without them. Now, while reading, I can actively engage with the material deciding which are the main points and encoding those, helps me focus and makes studying very interesting not to mention it takes care of the active recall problem. Though I usually end up just skimming and picking main points, I know it will be better to actually read and generate a keyword from understanding of each paragraph and then encode this, it was in attempting to do this, I discovered my bad active recall extended to paragraphs, I think I should find my limit, one or two (hopefully more) sentences, encode at the limit and gradually synthesize the memory images for paragraphs maybe later pages. I think I should try some things more before drawing conclusions (I replied somone in this forum talking about my whole circle around and back to memory palace for studying) I seem to make bad (rash) judgements sometimes and it can cost me time. But sometimes I think that I think too much and should just make decisions and see the results.

At last, the main reason I started this post, I seem to have noticed that I don’t do much better than those with no techniques (we haven’t written any exam yet but just from little questions and answers). Most of my school mates don’t use techniques as far as I know apart from the obvious acronyms and acrostics. I know some people maybe using techniques without realising (I have gone around asking) someone told me about attaching the information to the place she’s reading, another talked about “being the story” and some may not be disclosing all of their methods. I can do stuff that they likely cannot do and don’t need to do but they seem better with actual school stuff. I feel kind of jealous of them that I am putting in all this effort and they seem to be natural at it. Appearances may be deceiving, I know and they seem to put in more time and effort than I do, but I doubt I can remember to any reasonable degree without techniques.

Sorry, this was so long. Any input on this will be appreciated.

Not sure if it will help, but I’ll give it a try… My impression is that the problem is not that you aren’t good at memory techniques (or other techniques), but that you are simply finding out the gap between school and university.

As long as you’re at school it’s enough to remember, understand (as in being able to re-explain concepts) and apply them (in simple situations: you have the problem and you have the tools, and you apply them to solve the problem). That’s not to say that you don’t learn complicated things in high school, but mostly the information is curated for you: the teacher (usually) gives you the material and tells you what you will need to do, and if you can do it, then you’re good.

But now you need to analyse and evaluate: you get tons of information and it’s up to you to choose which is relevant and which is not. You get problems, but you’re not told exactly which tools to apply, and you need to analyse to find out what you could / should do. And you need to be strategic about it, because time is not infinite, so you need to set the right priorities. It’s much harder (also in the sense of cognitively taxing). That’s why you get the feeling that the teachers are not enough and the lectures aren’t enough on their own. It is normal that they are not.

So it is to say, it’s normal to be struggling at that point, because it’s a big change. While memorization techniques are certainly very useful, they are not a hack that will solve all your problems, because you shouldn’t “do as you did before, only better/faster/more”, but you need to study differently.

Or, otherwise said, you probably need to memorize a lot (especially if you’re going into medicine), but it’s not going to be enough on its own, if you are not strategic about what and how you memorize. There’s no point memorizing stuff, if you couldn’t decide what is important to memorize in the first place (and know why). Or if you are not able to use it afterwards (because you just memorized everything without spending the time to think how they related to what you want to do with it, so the knowledge doesn’t “come out” when you need it).

As for the “I read a paragraph and I barely remember it” thing, I cannot tell you what’s going on exactly, but maybe these reflections could give a part of answer: https://notes.andymatuschak.org/zL33c5cHy4bH7HvMcv2py9H?stackedNotes=z7JRyqSwVbW2a8U44w2RkR6. Is it that you don’t remember things, or that you didn’t actually processed them in the first place (because you only studied for exams before so didn’t really internalized the basics)?

I know that I tend to skip the basics because they’re easy (and boring to review), to hit a wall afterwards. But then, since our time is finite, I do think it’s a good thing to try to apply things in practice as soon as possible even without having “understood everything” (you could spend your whole life studying theory) as long as I go back to the basics when I notice I struggle with something (because then I know which basic things need to be memorized). Also some things do need memorizing/drilling to become automatic and free brain power so that you can think (and understand) more complex things. It’s like trying to become good at mental math without having learnt the timetables, or reading a text and having only a vague idea of the meaning of every second word… not going to work.

Could you ask for help from students that are more advanced than you (that just finished or are finishing right now)? They may be able to tell you what helped them in this situation. Or from the teachers? They won’t give you a plan to follow, they’re not here to “tell you what to do”, but most of them are (should be) open to discussion and give you options to explore. Otherwise, a coach would help too because they are used to help people help themselves (they don’t need to know the subjects you’re studying, they need to be good at guiding people).

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Thank you so much for this​:face_holding_back_tears:. It’s very helpful.

I agree with this. Using Physics as an example (probably the main problem- solving I am faced with for now), I saw I wasn’t good at a particular topic and took out time to memorize a bunch of formulas for it. Needless to say, I wasn’t able to apply most of it. Just knowing what a problem requires and having a formula matching with it doesn’t translate to solving it. I can’t seem to connect the problem to it’s formula despite have the same keyword (value to be calculated) this is even made worse if the keyword were rephrased or I am asked for a quantity that I don’t have a direct formula for (requiring change of subject of the formula) and so on. I now realise that calculation subjects require constant practice and understanding to achieve fluency, hence my expression of regret at the beginning of the post. I took for granted being good at calculation while forgetting what made me good in the first place (constant practice!!!). Now the exams are quite close, I don’t have a lot of time to spend focusing on a particular topic (I think the main problem here maybe fear of not getting it and having wasted more time?), so I am presently doing timed practice tests despite not being able to solve all questions.

It’s quite a big deal to notice this problem with comprehension :sob: and it feels bad to try to address it when I should be moving forward. I mean, I noticed there seemed to be a problem but attributed it to memory. I have tried to understand comprehension and ended up with assuming it to be the ability to link things together, leading to my mindmap attempts which were usually too large and did not offer anything I could not do with a memory palace (I do get a feeling that I maybe doing something wrong with the mindmaps).

Do you have a process flow for stimulating understanding and therefore engaging in more meaningful and useful encoding as you mention above and will it be the dame for all types of subjects? The help will be very much appreciated.

The link doesn’t seem to be working. I honestly don’t know how to guage processing or understanding.

This seems like the easiest to do but I don’t know how to explain the problem, my classmates seem to think I am pulling their legs when I try to talk about it (I am probably not helping my situation by seeming to know enough of the material).

Thank you so much for your reply. It was very helpful. Looking forward to hearing more from you.

Hi. University is much more complex that secondary. You have to make more mental activities like summarize, choose what’s important in a really bigger amount of information. Solve mistakes. Etc.
I suggest to understand well first without memorising. Or memorising single things. Then reduce the material and order to make it clear and smaller. Then yes use mnemonics.

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Your classmates are probably also struggling (or at least adapting) whether they are aware of it or not. It’s already hard enough for them to take a step back to understand their own situation, let alone have enough bandwith to put themselves in your shoes. That’s why I suggested asking teachers or more advanced students.

Doing good mind maps is hard (sometimes not intuitive for me)… Plenty of people explaining it online though. I like this video because he underlines that mind maps are NOT a note taking tool meant to record all details, BUT a way to organize information to give you a framework to understand the connections between concepts - always with the aim of putting it into practice. And also I think his remark is true “if you stuggle for that step (drawing the backbone), it means you don’t actually understand the subject well”. Plus at the end he gives several examples from biology, chemistry, music, maths - which I liked because often the example given are about subjects so simple that I could have done it too, but then I fail at the more complicated subjects → https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vzbQ8qZKpeg

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