Photographic memory test

A collegue of mine is really confinced he has a photographic memory, and that he would easily be able to do the test one needs to be able to do to prove it. I read about it in ‘Moonwalking with einstein’, a test with two images that would form a picture when layed on top of eachother. The book said the test was in a newspaper, with one image on day 1, and the other on day 2. I hope you know the test I’m talking about.

Does anyone know where to find it? I kinda want to let the guy put his money where his mouth is

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You might try this link to see if it is what you want

I took a grad seminar on hypnosis. I attendee regressed a subject back to the age of 5 when she had eidetic memory. She was able to combine two seemingly meaningless random dot images together into a meaningful pattern. The sample size and lack on rigorous methodology make in only anecdotal.

I took that test at that link, and it confirmed what I already knew, namely, that I don’t have a photographic memory. If he passes that test, you should get him entered into the next USA Memory Championship. If he really does have a photographic memory, he should be head and shoulders above everyone else. He should be able to look at the 117 Names and Faces for just a minute or less and recall them all perfectly, for example, something no one has ever done (Although I think Nelson’s getting close!)

Ask him to take Nelson Dellis’ memory challenge:

Then read The Woman Who Can’t Forget:

He should also check out Unforgettable, the documentary on Brad Williams:

https://vimeo.com/14941084

It would be very exciting if he did have this skill, but if he doesn’t do stuff like Brad Williams and Jill Price, then he probably hasn’t got it.

Every day he has to be reminded of the things he had to do, so he certainly has no photographic memory. I must admit I don’t even believe anyone does, as a photographic memory would also include that the stored memories can’t be altered. I do believe some people get incredibly close, like Kim Peek or Stephen Wiltshire, but I am not confinced that their memory is detailed enough to be photographic. In social terms they might have a photographic memory, but for as far as I’ve seen their work, their memory still doesn’t cover all kinds of memories. I also don’t know if they memorize it as raw data, or if their brain also uses a sort of “encryption”, like we do with the systems we develop. Socially, their memory can be labelled photographic, but scientifically I am not convinced.

That doesn’t take away that they don’t amaze me, they do amazing things.

Today I also let my collegue take the tests to prove he has a photographic memory, I explained the tests, he said he could do them easily, he failed badly, he blamed the tests. sigh

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I’m pretty skeptical about the existence of photographic memory. If it existed, wouldn’t someone have won a memory championship with it? There is a lot of prize money at some of the competitions. Every single competitor that I’ve ever heard of uses memory techniques. :slight_smile:

Two articles about it:

Some people do have exceptional memories, but from what I’ve read, memory doesn’t work like a camera.

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In this week’s episode of Superhuman, the first competitor was a veteran who claimed that “photographic memory” was her superhuman skill. She ended up being one of the top three finalists this week, but didn’t win.

Others have competed on the show who excel at finding visual details, but that’s not the same as photographic memory (which is extremely rare, if it exists at all). The term photographic memory is one that the layperson would consider impressive, which is the whole purpose of putting her on the show. But we here know to be skeptical of such claims.

Does she know about memory competitions, and if so, why hasn’t she competed in the American one as far as I’m aware? I feel like I’d’ve recognized her name if she’d gotten a top score in a memory competition previously, as I did with fellow contestant Ram Kolli.

I learned the show was back on this summer at all through AlexM’s tweet about being on last week’s episode. I love seeing memory athletes and mental calculators on shows like this one because none of us claim to be anything special - memory techniques aren’t some sort of secret.

The closest thing to a photographic memory which actually exists is something called a “superior autobiographical memory.” I don’t know if I would believe this existed, except for I had an employee who had this once named Tera. She could remember the color of the shirt and pants I was wearing 3 years ago at a certain meeting, place and time and was always right, and basically exactly what went on, describing something in an absolute vivid detail that was unbelievable. She did not train her mind to do this, she just did it naturally. However, it was not a photographic memory. She wouldn’t have been able to look at a list of 100 items and reproduce it like memory experts, although if she learned the techniques they would come naturally to her.

Basically I asked her a bunch of questions to determine what was going on inside of her mind that allowed her to reproduce memories like this. Very early in life she had just started associating things visually in chunks, without being consciously aware that this is what she was doing. So if you said "what happened on April 23rd, 2015 at approximately 2pm - she would respond with “Oh my God how did you know that date? I was sitting with my ex boyfriend John outside of the Denny’s restaurant drinking a sugarless coffee and wearing my favorite black shirt! I remembered it because that was 3 days after my Grandma died in 1997 when I was playing outside my house I lived in with my family with my brother John, and he slipped and fell into the swimming pool!”

So basically, she had somehow created visual associations for months, numbers, times, etc and somehow remembered remarkable details and then began chunking the associations. If you ask “how did she do that without training?” the only real explanation that might work is perhaps she was a memory expert in a past life and it carried through. However, she had never even heard of memory techniques. It was very funny asking about it. So you could ask about a date, ask about the first thing she ever remembers happening on April 15 on any year, go back to the original memory, then say “when you think of April, what comes up” and she would have a vivid visual representation of it. Basically she was using a very advanced form of symbolic memory automatically her whole life. It was remarkable and this phenomenon is called “superior autobiographical memory” and it does exist. I am convinced you could train a regular person to do this at a very young age, but the amount of training and regimentation required to get the skill to generalize would be fairly high level and I’m not sure that kids could handle it.

Probably, what happens is when some people are young, they just naturally begin repeating images exactly as they see them, and then at night thinking backwards about the day. Then some of them remember their Mom was wearing a red dress, and they start thinking about everything they’ve ever seen which is red, and then they start daydreaming and fall to sleep. If they did this basically all day with everything they encountered, eventually their mind would just start linking together in a way that was automatic. That is my general idea on how it works but it would have to be studied.

The rest of us, we cannot remember anything correctly unless we repeat it hundreds of times or learn a strategy like the memory palace. Hope that helps. That employee’s name is Tera. I would get her in on the discussion but she is quite ticked off at me for something.

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Lol if anyone has that why don’t they come here and put as all the shame. Andrea can do 80 numbers in like 10 seconds… thats pretty slow for a camera though! They don’t because it doesn’t exist.

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I am extremely skeptical of people claiming to have a photographic memory.

Even so, I am reminded that it was the Tony Curtis movie, “The Great Impostor”, which I saw as a kid (several years after it was originally released) that first inspired me to be interested in memory. Since I was ignorant on the subject, I wasted a fair amount of youth trying to figure out how I could acquire a photographic memory.

The good news was that my interest in the subject eventually led me to learn about mnemonic techniques. Although I have not taken my skills to the same level as many others on this website have, I would say mnemonics are every bit as good as photographic memory.

In many ways, they are more versatile, because with a little inventiveness you can adjust your techniques to find ways to handle many kinds of memory challenges. The are also more fun, IMO.

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Very interesting idea for a test.

It leads me to the idea of a way to measure the extent to which a mnemonic practitioner has achieved ‘tantamount to photographic’ memory.

Even though I am not claiming that photographic memory is real, your idea provides a basis for saying what it should do if it was real. Suppose we could establish some optimal number of puzzle pieces that a person with a photographic memory could reassemble, given a brief look at the whole image; then we could have mnemonics practitioners (and other contestants) try to see how they are able to assemble puzzles in a similar way, but given different numbers of pieces per puzzle.

If we determined that a (hypothetical) person with photographic memory should be able to do at least a 1000 piece puzzle from memory, and we find, say, that a memory expert can do 500, then we might reasonably say that memory expert’s skills are tantamount to 50% the strength of photographic memory.

Although I probably wouldn’t take this measure too seriously, I wonder it might be a not-bad basis for comparison.

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Not sure if you were talking to me. Superior autobiographical memory does exist and over 100 people have been proven to have it. It is not a photographic memory and they are doing it unconsciously. They would still have to be trained how to use it to memorize huge lists as these people are chunking together life memories and the associations seem to be non-linear. Probably it would be a good skill to model out and you could train people to do it, but they would have to have a regimented schedule to review everything for years until it generalized.