Need help memorizing a huge amount of objects

Dear all,

I appreciate your ideas that I need.

I want to set a system for extremely huge amount of objects based on the following formats:

ABCD – EF – G – H = object

A,B,C,D,E,F,G and H are numbers between 0 and 9

For example:

2345 – 23 – 2 – 4 = duck

5345 – 03 – 7 – 6 = apple

0046 – 01 – 1 – 9 = blue

So, I want to set a robust memorization technique for the numbers from 0001 – 01 – 1 – 1 to 9999 – 99 – 9 – 9

PS: I am also open for modification the format such as ABCD-EFG, ABCD-E-FG-H or ABCD-EF-G

Thank you very much for your kind support

Best Regards

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About how many objects are you going to memorize?

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Around 1 million

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That’s a lot of information. I’m not sure how do that, but maybe someone here will have ideas.

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Thanks Josh. I am waiting for help

I’d have an approach for 1 billion, but your number is to low for that. Sorry, can’t help.

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OK, no problem. I can memorize mine a thousand times more. I will try to get to your level.

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The system you proposed would need 100 million objects, though (10^8). Or ~80 million (9999x99x9x9) if you don’t consider number combinations like 0000-XX-0-0 to be valid numbers.

This post on quora estimates the number of words in the English language to be between 230’000 to 1 million depending on how to count. They further estimate that the number of nouns are between 43’000 to 300’000. Since (almost?) all objects are nouns, that would be our estimate for the number of objects as well. This means you would roughly have to use between 300 to 2’300 versions of each object in your system, e.g. 2300 different apples, 2300 different ducks etc. That’s not gonna work.

You could try workarounds though, e.g. that the first 4 digits encode an object, the next 2 digits encode an action, and the last two digits each either encode a color, or another sort of adjective. But to be honest, I would really not recommend this. The amount of time it takes to get used to such big systems is simply not worth the time. In my opinion.

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Thank you for your reply.

2300 different apples :slight_smile: an apple in the basket, the red apple in the car, a half apple on the table …

The number of objects are not a problem. I have enough objects. Think that objects might be a sentence or a number.

The problem is how to set a robust memorization system.

Please help me to find a solution since you understand the problem.

Thank you
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If you want a predefined system… maybe use a PAO-system, using a Major system encoding? The link above should have all the information you’d need to get started. To adapt it to memorise 8 digits, you could have 1000 persons, 100 actions, and 1000 objects (= XXX - YY - ZZZ).

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Thanks for your reply.

The problem of the PAO system is that it requires an extra effort to memorize the rule for the memorization of a single object, I do not want to memorize thousands of extra items (People, actions, and objects) because I have already a million objects to get memorized.
PAO has also calling-back problem. What was the object? Who was doing what? It is kind of hard to memorize and time-consuming, you know.

PAO is OK but is there any other easier technique?

Let’s think out of box.

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Why do we have to associate numbers with objects?
Can’t a system be developed in which objects are directly equal to numbers? For example, if 5 = apple, can’t something like टpple be done?
We gotta get rid of the extra effort.

Any idea about ABCD – EF – G – H = object ?

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Thank you for the PM, bekirsahin, but I cannot imagine why I would ever want to memorise something like that. What is it that you want to memorise with that format?

For birth and death dates of lots of people, for example, I use a form of PAO with the Dominic System, so I have lots of stories. But nothing like the numbers you are talking about.

I also find the amount of effort often reflects the accuracy and longevity of the memory.

Sorry that I can’t be more help.

Lynne

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It needs to be a system like Shaper system, but using association seems like a waste of time and it requires to load extra data. In that system, it is necessary to set up stories, scenarios. Everything can get mixed up.

For example = 1133-45-3 = Accra (Capital of Ghana)

Chopstick (11) + Two lips close to a microphone (33) - A flying kite (45) - A bird in the sky (3) = Accra :slight_smile:

I tried too much. When you need to recall it, you say “it was a capital but …”, “I had a chopstick but what was I doing …”

I think, maybe we can set a DECIPHER SYSTEM, I tried too much but I could not accomplish it. Because the figures are meaningless :slight_smile:

I feel that solution is the drawing something but I don’t know what that is.

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The name of the 6th store on the 35th street of 1215th city
Last name of the number 5 player of team number 2 in the 45th match of the 1985 season
5th sentence of page 35 of the 3356th book

I am looking for a system like Math. Robust. Concrete. Objective. Teachable. Easy to Recall. without consuming time and loading extra information. Maybe, numbers must be in the word itself.

This is the real solution of the memorization techniques.

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Another idea that comes to my mind is the modification or evolution of shapes.

For example, chopstick (11)+chopstick (11) → statue column (1111) or swan(02) + swan(02) → ostrich (0202) → dinasor (020202)

Anchovy → shark → whale

Mouse → cat → dog → cow → elephant based on the weights, lengths, distances, volumes, etc.

However, it still has many difficulties.

In my opinion, association is problematic.

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Is there any idea for the system that this girl creates?

How does it work for ABCD – EF – G – H = object ?

Entering the discussion a bit later, so I will take some snippets from here and there.

As @FlorianMinges mentioned, you will have to memorize 100 million objects. Sure there are workarounds for that, and regardless of the fact that you wil still run out of objects, I can show you in another way that it is next to impossible.

There are just over 30 million seconds in 1 year. That means that if you manage to create one object every second and you don’t sleep, you will still need over 3 years to create 100 million images. That is a lot. I am on my way to build 1 million loci and even after 4 years I have not reached a fourth of that. You want 100 million things. Let that sink in.

Especially when you say the following

Trust me, PAO is easier than what you have in mind.

Actually this is not a problem. The strenght of PAO is that it is on-site encoding. It actually prevents you from having to memorize a million items by splitting it into three parts. If you just have 100 persons, 100 actions, and 100 objects, you can create 1 million different images. When looking at larger numbers, PAO (and equally all other systems based on the concept) is one of the easiest ways to memorize them.

This is also not a problem when combining it with a peg list or the method of loci. Let’s say Albert Einstein is slamming your front door with a teapot. Cinderella is eating your couch with a camera lens, like really using the lens to scoop the stuffing out of it. The hulk is drowning a piano in your stove. These images make no sense, but since all individual elements are in one image, they become easier to remember. It is not a problem, it just requires practice.

Aren’t you still creating the association of 5 = apple then?

I would like to add on this, by mentioning that this also is the amount of effort put in a single image. That is also a strenght of PAO. In your system, 240683 and 243810 would both be different things, meaning you have less effort to put into either image. However, with PAO, both images would include the same person since both start with 24. That might seem confusing because you put the same person in two places, but it is in fact a strength as it lets you put more effort into the image of that person over time.

Let’s recap here. You want 100 million numbers to be turned into images without any form of association?
In fact, you also mention this.

So at first you say you want there to be no association, and then you come back by saying you could not do a system because of the lack of meaning. Which way do you want to go?

Here you lost me. Are you saying that stories like Albert Einstein slamming a teapot against your front door are less memorable than memorizing numbers through a line-based writing system? If that is so, your brain is quite fascinating.

You are making things way more complex than they have to be. We got great systems that work already. PAO, story, shaper/sound, a lot of ways to turn numbers into images. The fact that people have created working systems in less than a week, and manage to encode 1 million numbers with it, already proves how far we have gotten. If you want something like math, PAO is the way to go, because it treats the numbers the way they naturally appear: as values.

Association is not problematic, association the way you try to do it is problematic because you make the objective harder than it in reality is.

This is very similar to the line system you posted earlier. It might work for a few numbers, but as the sets of information grow larger, you will make an increasing amount of mistakes.

As a final note, I can tell you that no one here has created 100 million completely different objects for a system, so no one here can help you with it. We have shared our opinions on it, and if you choose not to listen to those, that is all up to you. However, I do hope you will see that there is no logic in calling systems that have worked for decades problematic, while you struggle to even make a start with the idea you have. Our systems leave a lot of room for improving, they are by no means perfect, but the fact that they have worked so well is proof of their effectivity, even today, and even for the things you want to memorize.

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Dear Mayarra,

Laughed out loud at your answers:) Thank you very much for your conventional and already known answers.

The problems brought by the systems can of course be closed by repeating it again and again. If you push yourself you can find all kinds of solutionsi no problem. All systems might work for all problems. In practice, the systems you mentioned above does not work perfectly for my own problem. I tried. I tried almost everything. I know completely what you are saying.

I am bringing new ideas just because of trying to open new perpectives. I just need your different point of views. Maybe we can find the best solution for my own problem. and I believe we will find after a serious brain storming.

PS: I will also give the answers to your concerns one by one

Thank you again
Best Regards

Dear Mayarra,

1- Think that I will memorize each word of the 20 volumes of “Grand Larousse encyclopédique” one by one and each volume is 1000 pages. I do not have a data shortage. I have objects. no problem. I want to memorize 1 million objects. it might include repeating items.

2- For the PAO system, 100 persons 100 objects 100 actions.
1-1-1
1-1-2
1-1-3
Albert Einstein (R.I.P.) is sitting on the desk = apple
Albert Einstein is sitting on the table = cable
Alber Einstein is sitting on the toilet. = cat

What is the number of cat? What was Albert Einstein doing? Who was sitting on the desk? Where was Alber Einstein sitting? … many questions…

This doesn’t work perfectly. Waste of time for me for now. Maybe if we cannot find another solution, I might use it in the future.

3- टpple This was just an idea. What is apple? 5. What is 5? apple. You do not need to set any extra relationships. it is there on your mind. You just have to know your system very well. all a’s are 5 for example.

4- DECIPHER SYSTEM is another idea. My point of view is: we have to put the numbers on the figure, on the object directly. What is the figure? number. What is the number? figure. But I do not mention writing the numbers on the figure directly. I am talking about the system.

I do not want to draw a story. If it is possible, I can draw an object that includes numbers. If we draw a story we have to memorize the story. I do not want to memorize the story. I just want to memorize the object and its number (and in my opinion, you all have to do like that ! object-number, number-object ). That is.

I know it is complex (maybe not, I don’t know) but this is what it has to be. Just we need to think differently.

Ay idea is valuable for me. I am listening to you, do not worry. What is the point of discussion? Brainstorming? Please do not give up. Try to find the best approach.

Thank you
Best

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