Memorizing a 00 - 99 PAO System

I have posted my Major PAO list elsewhere on this forum. Just thought I’d share the method I use to reduce the 100 images to be remembered in about half. Ok so I used the Major system where:

S = 0
T = 1
N = 2
M = 3
R = 4
L = 5
J = 6
K = 7
F = 8
P = 9

Note, I only use a one-to-one correspondence of number to letter or visa-versa as it simplifies learning the system.

Next I recognize the 10 Persons whose First Names and Surnames start with the same letters and learn them as ‘special cases’. Therefore:

00 = Sylvester Stallone
11 = Tina Turner
22 = Nick Nolte
33 = Marilyn Monroe
44 = Road Runner
55 = Lucky Luke
66 = Janet Jackson
77 = King Kong
88 = Freddy Flintstone
99 = Peppa Pig

That leaves me with only 90 Persons to learn from the original 100 of (#00 - #99). I then break the characters down into sets of reversed letters: e.g.:

01 = 10
02 = 20 etc etc.

See tables below:

Now I learn the images as pairs, for example:

03 (Steve McQueen) = 30 (Marge Simpson)

I create “paired images” of which there will be a total of 45 as 45 x 2 = 90. So:

I find that this system cuts my learning time in half and eventually the ‘paired images’ fall away, and I know that #03 will be Steve McQueen and that #30 will be Marge Simpson automatically.

Any comments? Do you think this is a good idea?

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I always enjoy hearing your thoughts, Fred! I’m gonna be critical here, but please don’t take it the wrong way and please keep posting up ideas for discussion!

There’s a distinct difference between “images” and “elements” within a system. “Elements” are the simplest single items that can be visualized that encode information. An “image” can be made up of a single element or many elements. (Incidentally, a “scene” can be made up of multiple “images” containing multiple “elements.”) You will still need to decode each “element” individually in an image or scene to accurately retrieve your information.

Learning a system requires learning all of the “elements” within it that encode data. There are 100 of them in a basic two-digit person system. There’s really no cheating that number.

You could have a setup where you combine 10 elements into a single image and then create “only” 10 images that contain all 100 of your elements, but that doesn’t mean you only have to learn 10 things to learn your system. You still have to learn 100 individual encodable elements.

Does it really?

Or do you initially spend twice as long on half as many sets? Because now you need to decode and learn two elements per set instead of one. You need to practice seeing all 45 of the merged pairs in BOTH directions, and you have to practice isolating the correct half of the image based on which direction those numbers are read. (Note: this would be brutal for someone with dyslexia!) Ultimately you’re still learning 100 elements, whether it’s in 100 x 1 format or 10 + (45 x2) format.

I could very easily see this approach having tons of issues with swapping. Accidentally encoding 30 as Steve McQueen. On recall, accidentally decoding a mental image of Marge Simpson as 03. There wouldn’t be any real “red flags” to clue you into a mistake if you’ve practiced these numbers and elements as a singular image.

You say that eventually the paired images will “fall away” but in order for that to happen, you’ll need to spend additional time retraining yourself to only see that 1-to-1 connection. This will likely take at least the same and very possibly more time to achieve than if you practiced 1-to-1 from the start. This is adding an extra conversion step in order to make it “faster” at first, but then you’ll need to spend extra time removing it from your conversion process later, likely nullifying or surpassing that initial time “saved.”

The goal of a number or card system should be to get you to instant direct association. Ultimately, you want to see the number and instantly visualize ONLY the element that relates to that number. This system adds an extra conversion step that will need to be eventually unlearned in order to get to that instant direct association.

Picture someone playing a game where the goal is to roll a ball at a target and hit it as many times as possible in a minute. Lets say the most effective rolling form is to swing the arm back and then forward like a pendulum, like in bowling. Someone who just does that motion once per roll will be able to roll twice as fast, twice as many rolls, as someone who swings back, then forward, then back again, then forward again before releasing the ball. (Sometimes they lose track of their swing and release the ball backwards too!) There is nothing gained by that extra back and forth. Its a redundant action that can and should be eliminated in favor of a direct single swing and roll.

I view system learning in a similar way. Sure, you can learn it with an extra conversion step, like a double swing and then eventually phase it out to a single direct connection, but wouldn’t it be better to learn and practice it as close to the way you want it to end up as possible? I think it’s better to avoid unwanted habits entirely than try to change them after they’ve been burned in.

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It’s… good that there are several good strategies in English… my native language is Portuguese, so I preferred to create everything from 000 to 999 in my mind… it took months… :slight_smile: :)… Ben’s system that I want to start next year Come on… I already saw that I’m going to have to work hard to create 2702 Portuguese words… at first I was going to get the English ones that I saw in the book by the 2x American memory champion, Ron White… but I was worried if it would take more work to memorize the 1000 objects… ufff… a lot of work with that… I think that only in English can you find a ready-made system… for those who are native to other languages, I suppose you have to invent things to set up the systems… but that’s fun

Tim no offense taken. This is exactly the type of critique I was hoping to receive and was looking for. I also like your analogy of bowling with reference to the double arm swing which translates into the ‘extra conversion step’. What I do however find a little confusing though is that with your argument given wouldn’t the traditional major system in and of itself actually become redundant? What I am meaning by this statement is that by using the Major System, one is automatically by default encoding and decoding LETTERS to NUMBERS and visa versa? Following your rationale and limiting oneself to the smaller system of a (#00 - #99 PAO system), would it not be best to have absolutely no underlying system of LETTER to NUMBER conversions, such as one has when using the Major System? For instance #42 in Major system translates into RN = Ryk Neethling (South African Olympic Gold Medalist Swimmer at Athens 2008 Olympic Games - 4 x 100m freestyle):

To get to that picture I am going through the thought process of: #42 = RN = Ryk Neethling, why not rather #42 = Hitch Hiker as an unencoded system of 100 PAOs (where I have posted about elsewhere on the forum?):

Perhaps the use of the Major System should be restricted to use only with 1000 System PAOs or 10 000 System PAOs? Using the same reasoning that you are giving by the use of the ‘extra conversion steps’, should we not be more vociferously arguing for an unencoded system to begin with? My #42 = Person (Hitch-Hiker)/ Action (Hitch Hiking)/ Object (Thumb). No use of Major System’s encoding or decoding anywhere in that image if one were recalling the number sequence 424242 or 42-42-42 broken down into its PAO format.

That being said, I do understand your argument about learning in paired reversed numbering orders as I have suggested but I think that it is just a ‘crutch’ to facilitate learning the Major PAO System
faster. I am sure that once learnt, the shortcut of getting from #03 = Steve McQueen and #30 = Marge Simpson would just be instantaneous and the image of Marge Simpson riding pinion behind Steve McQueen on his motorbike in the movie “The Great Escape” would just fall away. You would just know the conversions instantaneously just like you know that 6 x 6 = 36 or 7 x 9 = 63. There is just no calculations in arriving at the afore mentioned arithmetic single digit multiplication, it’s just somehow ingrained in one’s brain?

To your point and being a South African who is bilingual in both English and Afrikaans I take your point. As there was no ready made list of Afrikaans peg words to be found anywhere, I devised my own lists with a slight adaptation to the traditional Major System:

I just undertook the exercise for fun. I’m in no hurry to extend it into 1000 images though, although that could quite easily be done using the Major encoding system given.

Here is an example for #5 which in Afrikaans is a “SaaL” / English a (Saddle):

Good luck in putting it into Portuguese, it can definitely be done!

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Its a really interesting conundrum. I think I agree with you that the "purest’ form of direct association is just that, direct from the start. 42 is a Hitchhiker, 23 is Michael Jordan, etc… But, somewhere along the line in your life experience you learned to associate those numbers with those people. It wasnt instant at first. If the “instinctive” associations that you need to find to fill in the whole list aren’t actually all instant and you have to think about it to come up with them, you’re still going through that conversion process initially too, right?

I think I look at the Major System really as a pictoral/auditory new language. I’m at a point now where I can look at individual numbers and hear their sounds in my head pretty much automatically and effortlessly. 5 is L, 4 is R, 3 is M, etc. Learning combinations by “reading” the letters at this point doesnt involve any active translation for me. It did at first, I’ll definitely concede that.

I think it all comes down to preference about structure and if you like having the framework to guide image generation.

When I first heard about number systems I tried doing instinctive association for some numbers that were a little bit more challenging. I ultimately scrapped it because I didnt like having those exceptions. I’d see “07” and instead of naturally associating it with James Bond as I had planned, I kept trying to sound it out phonetically: Z-K. It didnt register quick enough that “ooh 07 is one of my direct association numbers, its not a sound one.” I decided I needed all of my associations to follow one rule, either all based on major or all with instinctive associations. I simply couldnt come up with all 00-99 instinctive images so I went with all phonetic and ended up really liking the structure.

For some folks, mixing rules doesnt hamper them. It just doesnt work well for me.

Just a semantic here, but with Major its really designed for converting Numbers to SOUNDS. Its really a different way to read numbers.

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It’s really not too difficult to devise an unencoded PAO System, my #66 is Forrest Gump. I bet you can see the ‘connection’? After all, Route 66 is as American as: 4th of July, Wendy’s or Baywatch? LOL!

Which is why I used Paul McCartney as my #93 and not Phil McElroy. Point taken. Major is “Phonetic”!

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Forest Gump on Route 66 is a pretty good one, but it’s not an instant link for me. I would have to think: 66 is route 66, what person is famous for doing something on route 66, oh yeah Forest Gump. So still involved conversion steps. I’m not sure there is really such a thing as an instant, unconverted, direct connection. It all has to be learned at some point.

66 for me is easy, a JuDGe! :wink:

I gotta sign off now though, getting late on the East Coast USA, and I’ve got an early alarm tomorrow morning. Good discussion as always, Fred! Will try to continue it tomorrow!

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#66 object could be haSHiSH = (Dope/Grass/Weed/Mary Jane). The Judge (#66) is smoking haSHiSH (Object). Or another object encoded from Major System could be Choo-Choo (train) = Object. To your point both examples given are phonetic.