Med Palace System!

Hello everyone! I’m having a little bit of a problem with a systematic organization of a mind palace.

I’m a Med student, currently in the 4th semester, and I live in Brazil. My course here is a little bit different. It follows an active methodology that actually stimulates the student’s memorization and proactivity. It’s called Problem-Based Learning, or PBL. In place of lectures, we have a lot of clinical discussions and problem solving about each topic. Generalizing a bit, each semester we have 3 different disciplines, and each discipline w/ 5 or 6 discussions once a week, something about this:

1.1 History of Medicine – 5 discussions
1.2 Embryology – 6 discussions
1.3 Biochemistry – 7 discussions
2.1 Physiology – 6 discussions
2.2 Immunology – 6 discussions
2.3 Epidemiology – 4 discussions
3.1 Pediatrics – 5 discussions
3.2 Neurology - 7 discussions

And so forth. I want to build an organized system for my palaces so that I can remember my previous discussions, and help with tests and me helping other students (I give particular lessons about some classes). For example, creating a palace on Neurology, so that the first room can remind me of the pain and movement system, the second can remind me of the visual system/pathways, the third of the auditive system and so forth.

I don’t have a problem with visualization, my individual palaces usually go pretty well, and some that I built over than 6 months ago are still functional. I also have a lot of macro locations for my loci, so space isn’t the issue. The problem is that I can’t bring the organization to be alphabetic, because I have different disciplines with the same initials (Embryo and Epidemiology, Pediatrics, Physiology and Pain, and so on…).
I really can’t figure a way to organize it so that I can easily access it without mixing something, and making it remarkable. The numbers can help a bit (3.1 is always Pediatrics, 4.1 is always carcinogenesis), and I’ve thought on the Major System to help, but I don’t know how to bring them to a certain type of organization, or which macro locations to use…

Does anyone have a tip or can shed some light on my problem?

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I read these two posts, where the author talks about organising palaces by keeping palaces in palaces

You keep a specific journey or room to organise the palaces.
You keep the first loci of each of your medicine palaces in each loci of this room or journey.

1.Picking the palace
You can either use locations you know well(home, area etc) or an Artificial Palace. This is the number one thing you should decide on first if you want an organized palace. I would recommend an Artificial Palace as there can be very neat ones or can be created by you. They’re also easily expandable which can make med courses very easy when you learn new stuff about a subject you already know.

2. How to keep them in alphabetical order
I would recommend(if you’re going for the Artificial palace route) to build a palace(by build I mean make it from scratch) and assign it with one of your subjects in your med course. For example, let’s say you’re studying neurology. You can assign a palace that you built from scratch to be a neurology palace. You can then make individual room or rooms for A, B, C etc. It should be pretty easy to organize it if you do it correctly.

If you’re going for an Artificial Palace(which you should btw), then you’re going to need to make it feel real. This means putting a lot of detail into the area an making it feel alive. Don’t forget that you need to really focus on the detail in these kinds of palaces. You also need to feel like you are there to get the most out of your palace. This mean you should feel the ground, see the walls, smell the air, etc. Do whatever you can to feel as if your palace is real and after a while it will feel real and very vivid. Another tip would be to constantly build palaces in advance so you don’t have any issues with not being able to remember your palace or not having enough time to adapt to your palace.

Final words
Again, please do use this piece of info wisely!:smiley: I have been using memory methods longer than it says on this forum. Most of my experience comes with playing around with Artificial palaces so I know a good amount of things about them. I hoped this helped man!:slight_smile:

you say can’t bring the organization to be alphabetic, then forget it right away. I did a lot with abc and i regret it almost all the times. You know what helped me last time? periods of my life. if the loci is a place of my childhood, or teenage yeaars, or when i lived in that town, or my present life. I know exactly where to go for what. need extra layers?, i also seperate between macro and micro loci, if its a street corner or a restaurant i dont have loci in them, i know immediately to go to those or to my macros where i actually have 20+loci in them. and they are all mixed up, put after having visited them for a while, even in same geographical space, they are instantly seperated when i havev to go back at any one of them … dont hesitate to use syllables or whole words to order them as well. i didthat for german since why would i go with A when ther are somany with AB, and why would you have one for the letters which are rarely ever seen in the subject matter? Try different things and dooo share your discoveries i am hungry for more all the time and we are legion here that are. thnx a lot for sharing man and sorry if my answer is a bit unstructured HAHAHA friday night, wataya want hihi

Guys… Seriously, thank you so much. I seriously mean it, you helped me a ton, every tip helped me organize myself and my palace organization a lot, each in a different way. I also asked Anthony Metivier from the Magnetic Memory Method, and he helped me a lot, too. I’ll tell you guys how I structured my palaces here. They’re all in the process of making, and there are a lot of them which I’ll have to go back a little bit to remember, but even though, I believe I’ll get something amazing, also thanks to you guys. It seems that everyone here is eager to help other people, and to gain new knowledge. This is amazing, seriously!

I made a whole list of places I can use as a palace (or chain of palaces), and they fell into these categories:

  • Small real places (e.g. a friend’s house, and a list of small stores)
  • Big real places (e.g. churches, schools, malls and my college)
  • Routes (e.g. route from my house to college)
  • Artificial places (I used to play lots of videogames, so I have an infinity of well memorized palaces from videogame layouts and maps)

My main objective with an organized system of palaces is to help me with college. I also want lists, languages, numbers, and other categories, but for now (seeing that I’m way too busy to spend time/energy with other stuff right now…), I adhered to those cathegories I posted up there. They are, for now: medical skills, embryology, biochemistry, physiology, immunology, pediatrics, neurology, geriatrics, carcinogenesis (the one I just left, just had my tests of it) and women’s health. I decided to remove history of medicine and epidemiology because it would be useless baggage, and would consume useful palaces w/o real meaning. Their orders are very clear, also for the numeric organization that does not change, so I don’t need to memo them.

After a little thinking, I decided to place each degree with a palace that reminds me of them. I’ve been practicing for a few days, and they all seem pretty fixed by now. They are:

  • Embryology – The map of Metal Gear Solid 3 – Snake Eater (Embryo and Eater start w/ E, and the whole Embryo degree reminds me of developing and some kind of ‘raw’ environment, something really present in Snake Eater)

  • Biochemistry – My own University campus (it’s a campus focused on biologics, so it has plenty of chem. labs and anatomy labs)

  • Physiology – The map of the game Virtue’s Last Reward (the whole plot deals with diseases and affections that attacks the characters’ physiology, such as muscle relaxants, acetylcholine antagonists and memory stimulants/inhibitors)

  • Immunology – The map of a game I played as a child called Legend of Legaia (the lowercase L and uppercase I are alike, and the game deals heavily with symbiosis)

  • Pediatrics – Houses of my friends (most of them I know since I’m a child)

  • Neurology – The map of a game called Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors (Nine and Neuro starts with N, the game deals with a psychological pressure that bears the absolute)

  • Geriatrics – The houses of my relatives (most of them are really old, or getting there…)

  • Carcinogenesis – An old school of mine where I grew and lived for 11y.

  • Women’s Health – A mall that I know well (here the malls are called ‘Shoppings”, and the degree is “Saúde da Mulher”, so “Saúde” and “Shopping” both starts w/ S, and the malls are often places that women enjoy a lot)

  • Medical Skills – The original Metal Gear Solid map, that actually differs a hell lot of the Empryo one, so there’s absolutely no way to mix them. I picked it because it’s one of the maps I know better, and by itself it differs from the other degrees (it’s a cumulative degree, that I’ll be having for about 4 years).

It’s a method that is getting pretty well on the going, actually. I am right now in my tests week, so I spent the weekend developing the Carcinogenesis palace, and it’s going quite well!
I had 5 discussions about each cancer type (not all of them, the most prevalent): uterine lap cancer, prostate cancer, leukemia, colorectal cancer and pulmonary cancer. Each of them I separated into “What is the disease?” (physiopathology, clinical symptoms, cell cycle), “How do I find it?” (diagnostic exams, tracking, staging of the disease) and “How do I treat it?” (treatment, prognosis, psychological results). I tried to summarize a lot of it, and by following a journey, I’m fulfilling the school’s loci w/ those info.
Each of them I summarize on a little story, be it using the Major System to help, or just plain mnemonics and wordplay. I create a small history to remind me of each fact.

My objective is not to learn, I have kind of everything fresh in my head. My objective is more to have a database of the most important things, so I don’t have to be going back again and again to remember it. This also helps me fix those things on my long-term memory, and help me with particular classes of these subjects that I give.

A cool thing that I found that actually helped me was that, in order for me to use the whole school (it’s quite big), but keep the different kinds of cancer organized, was to, each time one problem ended, I imagined a giant vortex, kind of a portal to another dimension. When I enter it, I feel every particle of my body separating, resonating and joining again, and I fall at the other side of the vortex intact, to continue my journey. It’s not exactly different of a door, for example, but the memory and feelings are strong enough to mark the journey and to separate well the problems.

One problem was that, in some cases, there were disconnected places that I needed to tag (for example, if I made a journey through John’s house and then went to Mary’s, I didn’t know how I would tag them together). The Gavino’s MMP technique will surely help me a lot here, though.

Anyway, thanks a lot one more time, guys. If you want to, do share yours, I’d be delighted to learn more!

Jopel100, that is amazing !, Seriously, I will be adding the feeling of my own particles flying away vortex, etc. There is actually a few things you mention that I will play around with myself today. Thanks a lot, you have concocted an really inspiring structure. I used to have that tagging between seperate places before and I hope you will find what works soon. Continue on your quest to try different ways, I do also, and every day. I myself do a lot of that kind of tagging because most of my journeys are very short (max 50 loci per, many with only 5-10), and I have linked most of them and most of them arealso very far and different from each other, so I play a lot with linking them,and from different parts of them also (like you and your vortex P.S your vortex trick can also be used here, I do that for this also and it does take a bit more effort but it works)… But I have a couple more tricks I use to do this, and out of all the trials and errors for them to stick the most, here are 3 that have been working well enough for me up to now and who knows :slight_smile: note that I use them all + my “vortex” to do this, but sometimes one trick does not work immediately so I try again or jump to the next trick, according to my imaginations own will :

now, youre at any given spot and need to “jump” to another far away place:

1 - whats the first thing relating to both spots that pops into my head ? e.g Im in a basement next to the water heater and need to jump to a place around or in my childhood park, what resembles the most to the water heater there? the tube like slide ? Is the locus smaller, not precisely there? no problem, for some reason, the second I jump from one journey to another in this manner, they both duplicate in my mind, and become 2nd dimensions, so even if where I need to go is the hill next to the childhood park, I remember that arriving from the water heater and to the slide DOES not land me in the slide, but on the hill next to it, and that loci 2nd dimension has been created with point 1 : the hill; and yes, I can add from there if need be also ! Sounds a lot, but its instantaneous in fact. It was a magic feeling first times this happened :slight_smile:

hehe, ok that was too many words, sorry, next 2 will be better; ok maybe not… man Ive gotta work on my english, making everything longer than it has to be I feel.

2- I have the surroundings of 1st location affect the surroundings of the 2nd. This is quite cool also and I was surprised it worked so well. But I believe the reason it works so well is that most of the other associations are built in such a different manner that, for example, when you are take THAT whole basement or that whole waterheater and watch and feel how it crashes and breaks the childhood park, OR have it entirely REPLACE the hill next to the park; trick is to have the first affect the second, not just link with any mnemo. And if youd be on the hill going to the basement, all the grass and dirt and kids runing on it fill up the basement or water heater or whatever, according to what I have to remember.

A good exercise I like to do for this would be to go to (also builds new loci in a flash!), and as you scroll down the full page photos, I close my eyes and remember as many details as I can from the first image, scroll down the second image and affect it by the first. There is a white open-beaked bird on the first and the second image is a bridge with fog, the bird becomes a giant bird and picks the bridge up in its beak, cars are thrown all over… and move on to 3rd image, and to 4 fourth, and wow, after ±9 images and go back to first with my eyes closed and review the amazing chain reaction before moving on to image 10.

  1. AND THIS is probably the one I shouldve started with. It took me some extra time to buils this but its THE best when I have many little spots in many seperate journeys I have to link :

a unique loci precisely for them.

P.S Often i like to start with a simple “vortex, door” and then add them to a new unique LOCI (my #3 trick), and often also I do #1 + #3 and #2+#3, all depending on how it works out…

P.P.S I know at first glance they seem svery similar and in some ways they are, but in practice, they are completely different, linking affects my memory completely differently than causal to effect (2). Sometimes one works better than the other and I can always immediately distinguish the two.

If anybody came this far, thank you for reading, its a pleasure to share with you also, Mindac

P.S only one day left to art of memory Kickstarter and still a tiny bit short ! This is a really cool initiative !

mindactivist, thank you so much! Your system seems quite well-thought, actually! I can understand the differences between each one, and even though they seem the same approach, they have completely different conceptions and effects on the actual practice!

Just a question, that I didn’t understand it fully: on your 3rd trick, you used one palace just to link each “connection” between each palace? Like, in your example, if you were to connect the basement and the park, you’d make a connection (like the basement replacing the hill) and place it on this other palace, to make this third palace a connector of all the palaces linked to this? If that’s what I understood, it’s really amazing!

Thank you again, one more time. :slight_smile:

Hi, Im happy :slight_smile: yes you understood correctly, but I usually dont do the connection (by effect or another) in that case, the new loci is usually enough; but again it all depends… For a more complete example, Ive got 17 palaces of 50ish loci each and I just realized there is 2 loci in each that are not suppose to be there, oops ! I go from palace to palace, take them and put them in their place in my new 34 place place :slight_smile: Its like a bridge between dimensions, where my 17 palaces are seperate dimensions. That particular bridge goes through only those 34 things I misplaced (or need to group). I can think right now of an easy enough example. Lets say your learning french english german and spanish but you didnt learn them all at the same time. You go and get your german word Krieg, your french word guerre, guerra in spanish and war in your 4 different places and you put them all in a new palace, so you dont need to go in four seperate, sometimes very seperate locations. I only have done this when I was tired of going through certain loops from distant location to another. The fact is, at least for me, it doesnt take more time to go from one well know location spot to another, no matter the distance, most of the time. But a few times it was more tiring so I just started building new journeys/palaces/loci/chains depending on usage. HAHAHA it shows that Im too tired, I am turning in cicles I feel. All the best, talk to you soon, is always a pleasure Jopel !