Help plz ! Feynman ? Memory palace ? Or both

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Bonjour

Je voudrais une méthode pour mémoriser rapidement des cours de 20 pages en une journée voir moins si possible, c’est pour un concours national tres important en medecine pour la spécialité

Svp soyez le plus précis que possible sur votre démarche comment vous allez procéder pour apprendre sans difficulté

Si possible aussi de m’apprendre comment vous utiliser memory palaces pour apprendre vos cours sachant que dans un cours on retrouve souvent des éléments listes a l’intérieur d autres éléments puis des chapitres des sous chapitres …

J ai déjà beaucoup lu sur la methode des palais mais j’ai toujours du mal a l’utiliser pour des cours et des chapitres longs votre aide et vos avis me seront tres utiles

Merci en avance pour vos réponses

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I would -

Choose a place that has 20 distinct areas to it for each of the 20 page modules.

Each day, start at a new place, at the first area, and try to build images that help you remember the content of the page - place these images in this area

move on to the next page.

after doing this for each page, test your self immediately and then again after you finish the total module.

the key is being loose with it, and not trying to remember every detail. just creating the detail in the first place is what helps you remember the most.

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Hey, I probably may not be the best to answer thus question since as at now I am more of a ‘sprinter’(short burst of quick memorizing) than a ‘marathoner’ (continous memorizing). I also haven’t built much of routines so I tend to have some bad habits (I will explain).

Okay down to business​:smiling_face:, I start out by reading or skimming through the page and underlining, drawing and writing associations and jokes (I like leaving things that will make me laugh on the page for when I review​:joy:) as they occur to me.

(My associations can be any kind: Sound based, meaning based, word part based, vibe based or info based. Don’t mind my sloppy classification. As with most techniques, here I use already learnt or easily learnt associations. Example of real info is learning that alcohol hinders magnesium absorption (easy to learn) then using that to generalize, if I think any magnesium deficient person, I can imagine them to have a drinking problem. Another different type of approach is when I wanted to learn about Selaginella( Spike mosses )and I used the person of 34 (because of Selenium) from my number system(PAO as at then), poured salt on them (because sel​:wink:) and swung a ceiling board with spikes at them.)

I may not even encode anything in a memory palace on the first exposure. I can use this to convince myself to get to working since it is just a familiarisation exercise.

Then in the same session or a later one, comes the encoding, I navigate in two main ways, either serially or topic based (not mutually exclusive though). When reading at ‘normal’ school time, serial arrangements may seem good (you organise nicely and can review better) but when exams are close, I think it better to use the topic based but that maybe because I didn’t study as much for my last exam as I should have and ended up reading summaries and revising with coursemates just before the exam (the bad habit was procrastination), so my method was throwing in any new info into a palace containing a related old one.(Hope this makes sense?). I hope to one day make a three palace structure, one for serial order, next for connecting information and ine for problem solving. But till then…

For the lists, I like to use bodies of objects or people as mini palaces. Generally for most topics, I like to create an image set both people and objects. I prefer people to objects, so for repeating words or concepts, I will much rather use a person than an object. You can of course have a person and an object for one concept and use as you see fit, I am hesitant to use an action as the sole encoder of a topic though. Example of use of people and objects as palaces: I used my secondary school as my chemistry palace, so when learning about ions’ colours, for blue, I picked a blue shirt that was part of my school uniform and used it as a palace (I call this location-influenced encoding, for me it seems to lock in better and feels more logical than a sea in the middle of the school to mean blue). For black, I used a dark secondary school classmate, nailed him to a tree, smashed his head with a lead ball, applied coins with nicks in them to his nipples and other fun stuff​:joy:.

I do sometimes reuse people and objects if the two different subjects or courses I am using them for seem like they will never get mixed up. I can still change an image if it seems problematic. Generally, I think it’s best to practise, if you fail, you’ll try again and then you’ll gradually discover what works best for you. The worst mistake is not starting for fear of failing or abandoning something after failing a few times (been there, done that, not much fun :joy:. I will like to say it was the cause of my late reading, but I haven’t started reading this semester so…)

You can check out Alex j mullen’s website, nice stuff there.

Thank you for your questions, they’ve made me think and analyze, you can ask more​:smiling_face:… Is it weird that I’m jealous you can speak French? I will study Medicine, I’m in my pre-med year.

Good luck with your exams.

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If I had to choose one, I’d start with the Feynman technique to make sure I truly understand the material, then use a memory palace only for the facts or lists that are difficult to retain. Trying to memorize everything with a memory palace can become overwhelming, especially for long medical topics. A combination of both methods usually works much better. Good luck with your exam!

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Thank you for the answer

I will give it a try

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Thank you for the answer, the details was really interesting

I’m there :sob: that’s why I decided to ask for help

Can you plz elaborate this idea

Not really, I’m jealous of how people use memory techniques too :sweat_smile: and languages for me are the easiest to learn you just need to be friend with a person who speaks fluently that language and practice talking to them directly

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Yes my probleme is that I’m a perfectionist and try every time to get all the details then get overwhelmed and stops everything

Thank you for the answer

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I mean I wish could form three palaces for each subject.

The first one would be based on the order of the information, so that when I lose information, I will notice because the location will be empty and I know around where to find it in the material.

The second one will be for connecting related information for example, if you read chapters in a history textbook that is ordered based on topics, you can rearrange based on years or vice versa. If you read about amino acids, you can regroup in different palaces based on different criteria. One piece of information can likely fall into more than one group. I think grouping together based on relationships comes more naturally, if you are asked a question, you don’t really care about which page it was found, of course chapters are organised based on topics so they are related, but that information is still related to other stuff, maybe make a mindmap to check relationships.

Then the last one will be for temporary storage of information for analysis. If I memorise the logarithms of numbers and I need to multiply four numbers (done by adding), I need a palace to first store the images after retrieval before starting to work on it. I think there are likely a lot of applications for this in medicine and other highly connected fields.

Of course you can just write things down or use other external thinking devices​:upside_down_face:. I hope this makes it clearer?

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Yes much clearer thank you, and seems like a really good idea

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Hi. I think you should use study techniques to understand if the exam is hard. Then yes use mnemonics. I don’t much about palace but takes time to learn to use it. If I were you I would study with study techniques and making exams. Then yes use palace but not too much places if you are a beginner. Maybe 50 or 100 places. And put there the more important things.

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I see thank you for your answer

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Ton examen est quand?

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C pour octobre j ai presque 400 cours a revoir :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

j ai deja fais des statistiques des cours Hypertombalbles et tt j ai pu réduire le nombre de cours a 250

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Hi .Translate to English too. so we can understand. I can use Google or chat gpt but in the cellphone is difficult.

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yeah sorry, i said my exam is normally programmed for this october and i have like almost 400 courses to learn

i said that i tried to reduce the number of the courses by analysing the high-yield Topics and managed to narrow it down to 250

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Txs. I don’t understand well the memory palace. I use other systems more. What I can say is that systems takes time to learn. If you have so much material to study. I would dedicate little time to understand how use the palace. Better use free time to understand that.

About what you are asking I would make short paragraphs that represents the topic and put images to it. If you like draw it. In medicine that could help a lot. Not necessarily about the matter. Example kidney-billy the kid. I think you could use 100 images if you are begginer because you need the time to study.

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I see thnx a lot

I will try the drawing

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Yes you can make with ai too. But I prefer to draw myself. I can visualize it better.

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This is something I actually want to do very soon. I plan to combine Scott Young’s “Recursive Reading” method [which is based on the Feynman Technique] with a memory palace.

Scott Young talking about it:

I will probably do 2-3 phases of reading, increasing the depth of understanding each time. I am assuming the material you need to store is difficult and new to you, in which case Scott Young’s explanation might help a lot. [If you don’t understand English, you can refer to the Video Transcript on youtube and translate it to French. I don’t know how good the auto-dub is.]

If I needed extreme speed [as you do] … I would do only one quick surface-level Phase of recursive reading, and immediately store it in a palace I have already prepared with a set number of loci, connected by an interesting storyline or journey. Meaning, I would have to store only a limited number of the most important points from the 20-page module; a glance at the Table of Contents and your syllabus might help you decide what matters most. So I am not saying this will be a perfect method that’ll get you 100% on your exams. It’s just so you can cover everything in a short space of time.

Everything I’m saying here is still just theory and I haven’t tried it yet, but like I said it’s something I’m very personally invested in right now. So I hope you will have every success with this.

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