Any Kind helpers here please 🥲 [PAO System]

[Mia-239.thomas (Mia Thomas)]

So i have mainly 2 questions :

I’ll start with the short one “is it alright to use multiple number systems to make up my PAO list ?”

For Example i made my PaO for ( 00 ) be

Sun tZu / SnooZing / object is SciSSors

And then for ( 01 ) which is ( S/Z and T/D ) i had an idea of Doctor Strange from marvel …

But the problem is that it’s reversed …

And for ( 10 ) my mind kept thinking of Ben 10 …

So as you can see … i keep hitting obstacles… so is it ok to just use whatever that comes to mind first?

Or does it have to be 100% faithful to the Major system?

And this same thing keeps happening to me when i try to make my own PEG-LIST or other techniques

As for the harder question “can i use a memory palace as a anchor/hub for other memory palaces so that i can categorize by subject and sub-subject?”

What i mean is.. i want to learn maths ( starting from the ground up. From ABSOLUTE SCRATCH )

So i had an idea that im not too confident about but very curious about it at the same time :

1- make a certain memory palace that has a memory relationship to math (( for some reason whenever i hear maths i always think of the Virtual Video Game Map from “Call Of Duty : Black Ops 4” called FIRING RANGE … most likely because it had my most intense maths exam when i was in highschool, which i failed unfortunately ))

Now this memory palace acts as a “connecting hub”

2- each area within this Memory Palace acts as a categorization to math branches (( for now i divided them as Algebra, Discrete mathematics, Geometry and topology, probability and statistics ))

3- each locus ( within each individual area ) counts as a portal to a memory palace which holds the memorized information about that specific topic of the branch

4- obviously memory palaces have a limit of capacity. But i worked a solution for that which is inspired by the “linking palaces method”

Example :

I go into the “algebra” area of the firing range map. The first locus in it is for the (pre-algebra) .. when i go it takes me to a memory palace where i memorize the multiplication table and “techniques” for higher accuracy/speed of doing mental math for basic arithmetics ( addition subtraction division multiplication )

The second locus will be for the “linear algebra” where i memorize formulas or definitions of something

Now obviously

Linear algebra needs more space than pre algebra … so i would probably get my memory palace there full … so what do i do next?

I make the last image within my “journey” a LINK to another memory palace which acts as a “second page”

And then the third locus is for another branch of algebra … etc

That’s all!

Now i know this may seem excessive for maths. But I’m a very (tidy?) person irl and in real life being organized helps me function more … is this the same for memory? Is there smth risky I’m doing with what i do here as i explained?

And also another thing to note is that this method i used MATHEMATICS as an example right now since it’s what I’m focusing on right now ….

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But i actually feel it’s (( even more suited)) for other memory palaces done in the same way but for (( history, religion, law, politics ))

So what do you all think? And thank you very much!

[Joukaidoctor]

I’ll answer your 1st question: yes, you can.

No matter how many system you have, the main point of making a number list is to instinctively know the number that image referring to. Since linking palaces or linking stories will cost you a lot of mental strength, you will want it as simple as possible. So, practice 1 character = 1 number until you familiarized.

for me, I don’t use major system, I assign number by categories. Example, 10 Star War characters for 31 - 40. And I have 3 lists for 1 - 100

Ps: just a tip, you should write down your journey, each time you review, shorten them as much as possible, even rewrite if you think of a more interesting plot.

[Mia-239.thomas (Mia Thomas)]

Thank you for the answer

May i ask why you have 3 lists for 0~100? Isn’t the whole point of a peg system is for it to be universalized in your memory palace using a fixed list, to make it easier to remember?

As for the tip. Do you mean in general for all of my memory palaces, or for the Peg List? For the Peg List i wasn’t using any memory palace to assign them too I’m using Anki to stick them into mind

[Stefos]

Hi Mia,

So…PAO is Person, Action, Object

Each subject should be separate

When memorizing, standardization helps and facilitates memorizing across the board of different subjects…Please standardize your own work!!

Then you can break down each category of each subject as a separate memory palace…Check out the Table of Contents in a book which is used in a course for ideas on how to break down each category for memorizing.

Post back here when done
Stefos

[Joukaidoctor]

The reason i have 3 lists is because:

1. I’ve practiced each list to the point i don’t need to recall which number i assigned the character to, before making a new list.
2. When encounter repeated numbers, like law articles, i need more variants for my number, or else my story will get overlap.
3. I don’t use memory palace. I use linking method, or story method. This method focus solely on interactions between characters and make it into a story. In memory palace, you just need to focus on which character assigned to the locus, but in story method, coherence is everything (because you don’t have any locus, logic is the lead to the next image). It doesn’t make sense if one character exist in 2 stories in the same time.

For the tip, i mean ‘every’ journey. If you find it too much hassle, you can skip the locus, just list the characters and actions. Since you will need to rely on spaced repetition A LOT when practice with spaced repetition. Spaced repetition needs us to ‘forget’ first, then ‘recall’, if we don’t write it down, we can’t ‘recall’ them. Yes while we can use the answer in anki, write it down in another place helps a lot when linking them

[Magno]

If you can’t find an order, simply place information to remember there. I had the same problem, but I have a palace full of images in a house that isn’t completely full. I have about 1200 images, and I could add more.

Don’t try to organize it if you’re starting out. Just establish a route and place information along it in a way that seems logical to you.

There are books that will teach you how to organize all of this. What you can’t do is obsess over a precise order. A place can have 10 points of reference, like a chair, a window, and so on.

Ordering based on the movement of a clock from left to right is quite logical. I do the same thing outside my house.

I prefer this to memorizing with chains, which I have to remember all over again if they break. The thing about using locations is that you probably already have quite a few in your memory, which are even useful for learning peg systems. I place 10 images at each location, and these can have up to 10 images in chains. Chains that are too long are very difficult to retain, especially if you use techniques like mine to memorize texts literally. Chains would complicate things considerably, since there are too many images, making a single chain quite complex.

An example of the text I have in a single location: The philosophy of modern democracy demands that the magistrate show great solidarity, always avoiding hidden sabotage that destroys the harmony of our constitution.

I use the locus of images, but I wouldn’t be lost if I had about 100 paragraphs like this. Imagine 25 words per 100, which is about 2500 images. Although I usually use one image per sentence, which would reduce it to about 15 to 6 images, that would still be quite a lot for the locus of images. Also, using the locus of images, I’ll know where the 1, 2, or 98 are. For that, I use a marker system. I usually use multiples of 10 to mark a set of loci, for example, 10 for “a bull,” 20 for “Nero” (Devil May Cry), 30 for “Mario,” etc. That way, I know directly where a certain set of images is by looking at the markers. I can also place a central marker because of the context of those 10 paragraphs together. As you’ll notice, a locus of images system works perfectly because you already have known locations that you can start using.

Yes, don’t use pegs. Using the major system, PAO, etc., they work the same as a system of loci. The only difference is that the latter has a learning curve when you need many anchor points. The system of loci also helps a lot in learning large systems. That’s how I learned my 1,000-peg system from the major system, to which I later added 1,000 categorized characters, such as fiction, action, fantasy, and others. With about 1,000, you’d have a good memory capacity. You’ll also have to train your speed using them; this goes into other details, and I don’t want to go on too long.

I’m writing a book about advanced memory techniques, but it will be in Spanish.

[Mia-239.thomas (Mia Thomas)]

Thank you Stefos! Yes i very much am planning on memorizing based on the stand subjects according to Table of contents or any official remarks too

[Mia-239.thomas (Mia Thomas)]

That makes a lot of sense. And i have heard of the story method before.

I have an interest of it and I’m planning on learning it after i solidify my understanding of memory palace first

Thank you.

[Mia-239.thomas (Mia Thomas)]

Wow. It’s people like you that made me interested in learning mnemonics. This seems great.

Will your book be about the journey of memory from scratch to advanced levels? Or straight up to advanced? I have Spanish friends who have also got interested in mnemonics so i might ask them to read it and explain to me!

[Magno]

It will be from basic to advanced, although the book is meant to help you memorize text literally, it can also be used for other things.

[Mia-239.thomas (Mia Thomas)]

That is very promising!

I wish you luck