I now have enough free time to create some very big system and I want to do it. But I want to be well informed .
I want to make a 3rd level system for numbers (0-999) or something like that, and I have a lot of questions. I hope someone here can help me!
The only language I can speak fluently is Spanish. Should I only use spanish words when creating the system? (I ask about it because it´s a lot harder to find examples in spanish from people who already made a system)
Are big systems usually PAO systems? I mean, should I make a system with 1.000 persons, 1000 actions and 1.000 objects?. And if I make a system with just 1.000 images, is it practical to then upgrade it to PA or PAO?
When doing fast memoricing, how are you able to distinguish between 1.000 possible images when you spent very few seconds of imagination?
How do you create and memorice such a system? I started looking for words with the phonetic code from 100 to 999, but there a lot of gaps I can´t fill. I was considering inventing words or using words that have more consonants than those in the number, but I´m not sure of what to do and I´m not even sure about the phonetic code being the best aproach.
If I already have a 0-99 list, should I use it for 000-099 or should I create something new to actually read that first 0 behind the two digit number?
Any other suggestion that doesn´t have to do with the previous questions is also welcome.
yes, I think you should mostly use words from your native language. If you can’t find a word to fit your system and google the sound and find a good image in another language/jargon, then that will work too. I speak English, but there is some German in my system.
No I think people usually do not use PAO, PA etc with large systems. Instead they link with spatial rules like left to right, front to back. It will be very difficult for you to find 1000 actions which is why they are not practical.
The same way as with small systems. You see the images, they associate to the location and if you forget the image they still have a certain feeling and rules attached to them. When you know your list and something hit the next image. it is not hard to remember “oh yeah . . . it was a bat!”
It will be very tough. A good way is to fill in everything that you can and print a sheet of paper of the numbers that you missed. You can find other people that can help you as well. A person does not need to know about mnemonics to enjoy a word challenge.
Depending on what you use for your phonetics. The 00-99 may already be dispersed in other parts of your system. It does not really matter either way.
A)Drilling the list can be very helpful for learning it. At one point, I would think through all of my images before I went to sleep to let them stick and increase speed. I’d also rush though 100 image parts during breaks in the day.
B)Another drill would be reading digits quickly without trying to memorize or visualize the numbers. It will increase recognition speed which is very important.
C) Think of a way that each image can be associated to another image.
D) Find a very solid reason for wanting to make the list in the first place since it is going to be a large drain of motivation and practice to make. You could also make significant improvement with a 2 digit system during that time.
Side note: I am actually thinking about switching back to my simple 2 digit system since It can be improved to a level of mastery that would be much more difficult to do with a 3 digit system. I have not completely switched back, but I am planning to.
LociInTheSky recommended to just add on an 8 to the end of every number in your 00-99 object list, because in english it’s pretty difficult to find words that have a third consonant as F/PH/V/TH. But its likely different in spanish.
Thanks a lot aleman and baterman, that was really helpful.
In Spanish the number 8 is also a hard one, I have the sound “ch”.
Following your advice, I think I´ll make a third level system with just 1000 images, using the phonetic code and maybe placing the 100 I already have in 801-899. I have some friends that can help me to fill the gaps. I´ll practice them regularly, and I will take advantage of the fact that car licence plates have 3 digits to practice even more. I hope it works!.
Hi. I use a big system, 512 objects for binary, 1000 for digits, 2704 for cards.
Did you write this post without a translator? If you did, you can speak English far better than you need to include English words in your object list. Do not restrict yourself to Spanish, but you do want the words you choose to remind you of the object. Nonsense will work, but your native language is best, and words you know in any other language work just as well as those. So you obviously know many English words too. Check out the Ben System and the major system. They both work equally well but you (maybe) shouldn’t use either one in their popular form. If you do want to commit to pure Spanish for some reason (I assure you it is not a very good reason if it is challenging to do) you could make small changes to either one of the systems (this would be easiest to do with the traditional major system) in order to include sounds more common in your language. “ll” and “j” should take the place of “f” and…I dunno, I don’t speak Spanish, but you could figure that out.
Big systems are NOT usually PAO systems, and I think a pure millenium-pao system is just silly, and though a 3 - 2 - 3 (100 actions) is LESS silly, I still don’t see the point. It’s going to come down to if you love PAO. If you do, then there you have it. If you’re willing to part with PAO then you’re in the best company: a list of 1000 pure objects.
3)That’s a loaded question. When reading a book, how do you distinguish between thousands upon thousands of words? You just learn the words and how to use them and everything else follows.
4)The phonetic approach IS the best approach. However, like I said above in “1)” customizing the phonetics to your liking can go a long way.
5)What ALeman said is one of three good options. One other possibility is to add an 8 to the end like Bateman said, or any number that works better in your language. The third is to leave them out completely. By doing this, you will be able to use your images to memorize numbers in real life cleanly. For instance, a phone number is ten digits. Here is how I memorize a phone number:
0123456789
012+345+678+789. I do it because I don’t have 2-digit images nor do I have an image for “9” and 10 is not divisible by three. But what if it was a tracking code or some other random number that wasn’t a phone number? Then I wouldn’t have any way in particular to know if it were a ten digit number or not.
For instance, I memorize the number:
012345678789 The exact same as the phone number above. If you had a 2 digit system, meaning you had 1100 distinct images, you could memorize the phone number this way:
012 345 67 89
And you would then know with 100% certainty what the number is, unlike me, who only knows with 99% certainty and has a hunch on top of that. So it isn’t really that important, ESPECIALLY in the competitive disciplines. There are more reasons to have that system in the uses you will encounter in daily life, such as phone numbers, addresses, and dates.
I wasn’t thinking about the 2 digit and one digit cases when I first posted. For the one digit cases, I have an image for every letter. It is a bit arbitrary about why they are coded as one digit, but I know them.
For 2 digits, I used the letter H which is not in my phonetic code for numbers to be a filler letter that makes a 2 digit number instead of 3. This made the 100 images for 2 digit numbers. My original 2 digit system phonetically fit into other parts of the list. I hope that helps.
Here is another link that may help. I don’t know enough about Spanish to give personal direction about choosing your phonetics. I do think the Idea in the link below has potential though.
Question 3 was more about how you distinguish between 1.000 actions, but if it´s not a PAO system then that´s not a problem.
There are two more things I forgot to ask
-If I assign more than one consonant to each number (I never liked to do that, but I may need it now) could I lose too much speed when reading the numbers?
-For numbers that ends in 6 (“s” in my code) it´s very easy to use plural nouns. Is there some problem with that?
Depends, do you plan to compete? I’m pretty sure(maybe I’m mistaken) that LociInTheSky made a single syllable word for every one of his 2706 images, to make it faster.
I don´t think I´ll compete in the short term, there are no competitions in my country, but I have the personal goal of becoming as fast as I can. So I´ll try to do it without using more than one consonant per number. Finding one syllable words is maybe too much but I will priorize those.
He(and I) use 3 consonant major system. Another option is a consonant-vowel-consonant(or vowel-consonant-consonant/consonant-consonant-vowel) Ben system.
