Okay,
Thank you for you help, sir! 
Sure,
so, taking just the Greek examples, since that is what I will be starting with and completing before I do Latin,
a, an not, there is not, without
aaeges, hard, unbroken
aapto, insatiable, unsatisfied,
abeba, wavering, fickle, uncertain
abelt, stupid, foolish, silly
etc.
On each page there are between 20 and 40 words. Some have up to five different senses. Some have only one or two. Also, some of them are suffixes, or prefixes. For example, aego- meaning a goat, or aeresis- taking. Also, many of the roots and combining forms are followed by one or more vowels, because when they occur in English they are usually used with those vowels. So, for example, achorus is followed by -ut and means homeless or without a resting place. Or, aechm, a, o, arrow, the head of a spear. When I say many are followed by vowels, I mean probably every fourth word.
Now, I have explained all of this from memory, so of course this is why I even come to the forum and ask for help, (because I am convinced that it really does work). I just want to be sure that I am doing it right, and that it actually works for long term memory. I am very motivated to do this, and I will figure out a way.
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Okay, but wait. You said you thought it would be best to just use the words themselves as loci. But how can I organize myself later, when I want to recall any one of them? If I have a journey, this allows me to do that. Without a journey, however, how could one do that?
As well, it’s not enough to take images that we encounter on a daily basis if we are trying to encode some ten thousand words and subsequent definitions. I already tried this and that is why I am here. It works fine, or at least in my case, it worked fine for the things that I actually pay attention to visually on a daily basis, but not for things I don’t pay attention to in passing by them. I only have a very vague knowledge of them. You can notice this around your house too. There are a zillion things you “see” but never really see. Their color, their detailed dimensions, where exactly they are, how big they are, really. Sometimes, if things are grouped together, we think there are two or three, when in fact maybe there are seven or eight. This is what I mean. To make journeys for thousands of images, one has to go through the images in the journey and know them well enough that he can see them in his mind in detail even after he has ceased to pay attention to them. If we take things that we will never see again as our loci, this solves the problem of so many images to encode. However, it creates another problem, which is that of remembering those loci themselves well enough to remember what we encoded to them. Do you see my point?
When we take things like our own head, our body parts, the things inside our home, these are things we come into contact with on a daily basis, things we pay attention to, and so they are easy to recall. They are easy to look at in our mind and remember. At least, most of the time. Their color, their shape, how many of them there are, where they are, etc. The front side, the back side, etc. But, again, there is a very limited number of these things.
What I am saying is, if one wants to remember 10,000 words, one is going to have to come up with 10,000 loci. Right? Unless there is another method that allows a person to organize what he memorizes?
This is why I said in my post that maybe the method of loci works really well for a limited number of things, and for short term memory, more than “limitless” amounts of things and “forever.” This is also why I said in the beginning of my post that people who do use it to memorize a lot of thigns, as in, thousand upon thousands of things, have to use that information over and over. Not just ten or twenty things. But say, five thousand things. If a law student does that to learn law, he is fine because he will use that information often enough that he won’t forget it or will at any rate have to review it, and therefore its imagery. But someone who learns a zillion things and then doesn’t use it for months and months and months, not even one time, never reviewing it or anything, that is where I start to woder.
I could be wrong of course. And I hope I am.
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Ah, I did not understand your question. I thought you asked me whether I was remembering so as to show off versus only for myself. I don’t know what you mean by a memory feat. Do you mean am I trying to memorize a whole ton of information that I won’t forget? As in, thousands upon thousands of words in their exact order? Yes, that is what I am trying to do. As ordered in the dictionary. Sorry for the miscommunication.
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Yes, I see your point about using the words as loci, but this won’t work for me. I want to be able to remember the words themselves, not just upon seeing them. Though thank you for the suggestion!
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So, do it in the same way that Dr. Chooi did it?
Okay, so, this leads us then back to the questions therein.
First, how do I do the number system? Do you have any ideas? In my book there are only about 350 pages, max. Not even that.
Also, don’t you think that so many images per “page” location will create a recall problem? I mean, let’s say that I use page 13 as a flower shop. I have no problem finding a flower shop, but 100 images for ever ten words, that means the flower shop will need to hold almost 400 images, maybe. Just for fourty words. In the method of Dr. Chooi, however, each “page” location only had about 30 images, I think. I can explain why I think this. But my question is, does this make a difference?
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I am not familiar with that concept, no, but it makes sense that practice makes perfect. So, I guess I am going to have to start on creating images for the numbers. I think I will be using the body method, as in 1: T,D, 2: N, 3: M, 4: R, 5: L, 6: J, 7: K, 8: F, 9: B, 0: S,Z
From there I might be able to create a system for the numbers where I have a location for each. Thank you for your help with the suggestions on the images and creating them and mastering them.
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All right well, if you have nothing more to add, then thank you very much for helping me and going through this with me. I know it is time consuming and hard. If it works as I hope and think it should, I will come back and send you some money via paypal if you accept. It is not fair that a person should be so helpful, just for the heck of it. So, thank you very much, khuram.
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Okay my pleasure. If I see that your suggestions helped then I would be happy to do that.
Thanks again.
I’ll repost here later to inform people of my progress. If after sometime I check my progress and find that things have stuck, then I’ll be sending you that copy!
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Are you familiar with the various torrent sites? Not to get off topic here, but you should probably be able to find a digital version of the English publication on one of those many sites by simply googling it and in quotes, “torrent.”
At any rate, yes if that works I intend on contacting you for your address.
Also not to get off target, but Hungary seems a very beautiful place. I may visit it one day with my aunt. I live in France myself so not so far off. I love Europe, especially the countries to the east.
Thank you again! What is your name, by the way? Mine is Justin.
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Pick up the book the Art of Memory by Yates that should answer all your questions. I am some what new to this as well. But her books go so indepth with the memory palace its scary and its far more helpful then Moon Walking with Einstein.
Here is a passage from the book: The Citation is at the bottom. This book is not an easy read and it really is mental gymnastics but if I had to pay $1000 for this book I would, just buy it and let me know what you think.
“If we wish to remember much material we must equip ourselves with a large number of places. It is essential that the places should form a series and must be remembered in their order, so that we can start from any locus in the series and move either backwards or forwards from it. If we should see a number of our acquaintances standing in a row, it would not make any difference to us whether we should tell their names beginning with the person standing at the head of the line or at the foot or in the middle. So with memory loci. ‘If these have been arranged in order, the result will be that, reminded by the images, we can repeat orally what we have committed to the loci, proceeding in either direction from any locus we please.”
“Memory loci should not be too much like one another, for instance too many intercolumnar spaces are not good, for their resemblance to one another will be confusing. They should be of moderate size, not too large, for this renders the images placed on them vague, and not too small for then an arrangement of images will be overcrowded. They must not be too brightly lighted for then the images placed on them will glitter and dazzle; nor must they be too dark or the shadows will obscure the images. The intervals between the loci should be of moderate extent, perhaps about thirty feet, ‘for like the external eye, so the inner eye of thought is less powerful when you have moved the object of sight too near or too far away’.”
“In order to make sure that we do not err in remembering the order of the loci it is useful to give each fifth locus some distinguishing mark. We may for example mark the fifth locus with a golden hand, and place in the tenth the image of some acquaintance whose name is Decimus. We can then go on to station other marks on each succeeding fifth locus.”
Yates, Frances A (2011-10-31). The Art Of Memory (Kindle Locations 293-296). Random House. Kindle Edition.
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hello justin , i’ve read all your messages in this discussion , i like the fact that you insisted on finding the right way to do it , actually i’m developing a system for the same purpose , but i don’t want just to start talking since you are a person like me , very skeptical about the type of information you are learning from others or trying to implement in your study-memorization routine , i hope you read my message and tell me how did your memorization of root words went , did you find a way or still stuck with the overload of images …
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