I did buit a MMP using series and movies and im still making it bigger, and making sure there’s no leaks but i still want to see how it turns out, as i put in my previous comments, I have found that what works best are movies because of the story or series with long stories like heroes, if i use a person i use a cartoon journey and viceversa, if i use a journey “real” or not cartoon i use cartoon character, this in itself make it remarkable to see goku instead of ben stiller in a scene its weid in itself, but if i use the simpsons as a loci or journey then i wont use any of its characters for any PAO so i dont get confuse, its in its early stages but i do think is a solution to use entertertaiment. Im not even watching the series i just see them 3x or more its speed without sound so i wont waste much time, so far its working very well but i want to be sure before i go further and explaint in detail so others can use it too.But thanks gavino for the inspiration to creating a huge MMP
r30,
that is clever, have you tried to turn concepts into an image first then saving them in a mental file?
Yes. In physics, I have person or object for each physical quantity (e.g energy, mass, velocity etc). I store them in MP-s. But they have to somehow reflect the concept itself. E.g an eagle symbolises velocity. But the eagle’s background is always moving, thus indicating that the eagle has ( in this case nonzero) velocity.
Better example: voltage. I see glowing Nahuel* (from twilight), who stands on a spheric virus (2 object instead of one image). Nahuel stands for work. Virus stands for 1 C (it’s electric charge). Voltage shows how much work does 1 C do. So if Nahuel is taller and brighter, this virus does more work.
Why didn’t I use just one person for voltage? Because it would be scientifically inaccurate. Helps me to understand physics better.
Of course Nahuel and virus can still be thought of as one image.
Bleh the internet ate my reply. Anyways, to cut to the chase.
I recently did something similar to this in the Phenomenal Memory course, lesson 5 (of 60), which I highly recommend by the way. I basically memorized 75 bits of information on 8 pegs in one room of my memory palace, sometimes stacking 15-20 images on one peg. I used the chain method and Russian doll method, and by the end and some review I could zoom through all of it very quickly. I have yet to try your method (it sounds very interesting and thrilling) but I do recommend my method as an alternative to store loads of information, sometimes on just a single topic.
I think that the ‘stacking’ methods works very well with the MMP system, giving you extra options for memorisation when you reach the final level of the MMP nested structure. And also at ‘higher’ levels, because in practice, the MMP structure will often not completely mimic the structure of the information you are trying to memorise.
Hello Gavino,I am new to the forum and I am thankful for your post.I feel excited to learn and apply this technique.
I posted a question about Postal Carrier,what would be your advice on how to apply your strategy to become
faster and more efficient.Especially on remembering the case and small and big packages without using markers.
Have your read Major Beniowski’s Phrenotypic machine. It is similar to your memory palace except he uses the major system to create his loci, well when I say loci , they are a bit different. You should check it out. It is detailed in one of his books which is broken into 6 lessons. You can download it for free on amazon,
I have been brainstorming this idea of having mini locations on each of my already existing objects or pegs. Thus being able to exponentially increase the space in your memory palace. Thanks to your post I think I have just taken the next step in completing this idea.
This is what I have so far
So at the moment my palace (my house) has 30 places where I attach images to objects. This is not ideal as I am studying law, and 30 locations is way to few for the quantity of work I need to remember. I do have more palaces, but I am sticking just to my home for the following example.
One of the objects in my palace is a lavender bush which is extremely dense. So instead of just making an image interact with the lavender bush and moving on, I have imagined that the lavender bush has a secret pathway that Alice in wonderland fell through, leading her to the wonderland. There she meets each of the wacky characters in a pre-determined order. It could be alphabetically or in the order that Alice meets them in the book/movie. This means I can now link ten more things (1 for each character) than I could before.
Therefore as long as one loci can somewhat follow onto the next, you could delve as deep as you like, and expand your palace as much as you want. This is perfect for your studies because it creates metaphorical files that you can place your work in. So if a chapter of your work has sections and subsections that deviates a bit or complements your work, you can store this information in ascending or descending order.
I’m finding it a bit hard to wrap my head around this concept. Are you using loci as makeshift portals into other loci that don’t have any particular journey assigned to them? So would it be like drilling deeper into the web of a topic?
Are you using loci as makeshift portals into other loci
I have the same question. I'm probably missing something here but, the key idea just seems to be embedding a journey within a journey (which is as old as the hills). So, I suppose your new idea is starting with what is essentially a 'table of contents' MP that allows you to embed other MPs, some for specific themes and others to be decided on. It's basically a template built from easily accessible loci. If so, what is the novel part?
I heard of an interesting way of creating a MP where key images are placed in a lobby temporarily. Once revisited, they’re recoded into a specific room in the MP, in their proper place. Each room is an embedded MP (or MMP for that matter) and that way you can add info on-the-fly and never loose the complexity and structure of your MP storage system. So, a fact about Antarctica you heard about on the radio is put in the lobby. A note from an online news item you’re reading is coded there, too. Later, you go back and move them from the lobby into the room or MP within your bigger MP for, say, geography. Sounds abit like this.
Do you have an email I wanted to send you my virtual memory palace. Also if you have not read it The Art of Memory by Frances A. Yates and I am currently reading The book of Memory: A Study of Memory in Medieval Culture By: Mary Carruthers. These are not easy read but they go so in depth with the memory palaces, it really is mental gymnastics as Yates put it. I mean people everyday people would have full text books in their heads. I have an incredible imagination and I base my palaces of video games such as Kings Quest 5 for the computer, and Quest for Glory 5 on the computer as well as movies like, Dark City, and The Cell. If you want ideas for a fictitious memory palace watch The Cell with Jennifer Lopez. As far as academics goes I just learned this from Carruthers that you need to learn the and understand the material and then apply it to your palace. Example throwing the stages of mitosis in you biology palace in my case I put it in my corridor and each room in that corridor is a chapter and so on. If you shoot me your email to my inbox I can send you my palace as a PDF file that i made up. A lot of people advise against them, lol. In fact according to Yates a lot of the ancient memorizes resorted to made up palace with bright colors, beautiful and unique, or really scary the whole idea is to make it standout so much that you cannot forget it. I also find documenting my loci in xcell docs just for reference, especially if you are studying law or medicine you have to have reliable palaces and triggers and apply as fast and as precisely as lighting. Just like you don’t have think where do I have to go if your electric goes out and you can make your way to you bathroom instinctively.
Josh,
Do you suggest a fixed path for a new embedded loci to maintain consistency?
For example if I add a bookshelf/cubby to a wall. I would always move left to right, top to bottom or clockwise or counterclockwise depending my preferences. And then continue on my journey. Essentially a journey within my journey.
Great method!
Question for you - do you make the last locus of the “nested” MP link back to the original, so you can flow easily back to where you came from? Or how do you find your way back? Thanks!
Idk why im here but lets make discussion rolling
My impression is really hard to converting what i read to understand it, becauSe we talk About image but with word as a lAnguAge, next time we need some ‘’ really reALLY Art of memory people to translate word to image’’
One image count 1000 word
Hi Gavino, I’m sorry for my English, I’m Italian and I’m not very good at it. I tried your method with ten scenes of the walf of wall Street and I find out that they are not good loci. Could you suggest me some film and scenes that I could use for my memory palace?
. I tried your method with ten scenes of the walf of wall Street and I find out that they are not good loci. Could you suggest me some film and scenes that I could use for my memory palace?