Abstaining from masturbation

General Memory Chat
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guys you can try finding a medical research about it instead, for about anything really

we all know high testosterone may lead to high energy and feeling inspired all the time like in adolescent stages

here’s one about abstaining and testosterone:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788

This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.

here’s one about testosterone affecting performance at work, etc.:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3248440/

Recent literature emphasizes the role that testosterone, as well as markers indicating early exposure to T and its organizing effect on the brain (such as the ratio of second to fourth finger), have on performance in financial markets. These results may suggest that the main effect of T, either circulating or in fetal exposure, on economic behavior occurs through the increased willingness to take risks.

I do a little bit of PE (penile exercises) to develop control and I don’t wait 'til 3 weeks before I can do intercourse 'coz that’s just crazy. I have sex anytime but technically I don’t release my “energy/load” until every 7 day intervals… 7, 14, 21 keep it guessing. Why 7 day intervals? Well I’m just playing around serum levels, here’s the pubmed about it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241

The energy and the permanent good-feeling effect is a life changer. You can pretty much do, start and finish anything you want just because of high, consistent energy. You wake up earlier (with a raging boner if I might add ;p), your days are longer and supposedly more productive. Of course you need to have exercise and good food.

I first learned about this method from Napoleon Hill, adviser of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. And hopefully it will help me with my mnemotechnics :slight_smile:

It has a bit of a connection with Habit or reward system:

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I don’t notice much difference, even stopping for a month or so. I would say a lot of it is placebo; you believe you are better at controlling yourself, you get motivation from such groups as /r/nofap, and believe that it will help you, so it does. Your body digests(breaks down?) the semen by itself anyway, it doesn’t just stay there. But then again, more free time, more confidence, more self control. Plus, I do believe pornography distorts our expectations and wants in regards to sex.

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I believe a month or more is too long, I too tried it and it was disappointing. Your unit probably forgot what it’s like, it needs practice, it needs to cycle and you need endorphins.

I don’t think it’s placebo, I’ve done my due diligence of trial and errors, but I guess everyone’s mileage will vary.

I actually practiced/discovered it by accident anyway, way before knowing Napoleon Hill… I was so busy and excited with my self-projects before that I forget about sex, it just isn’t in my dictionary. But when I started doing it more often, that’s when I noticed my decline in energy and challenge/risk-taking… at this point we stop being hunters.

It’s even known that boxers, MMA fighters, athletes, etc. are abstained from sex weeks before their matches.

Desensitization is also a factor too (too much of anything is bad):

Try seeing your girlfriend only on weekends or something, not everyday. Do this regularly and you will miss each other to the point that every week it feels like it’s your first date again, where touching each other creates electric… this is the desensitization method.

You don’t have to take my word for it, not even the pubmeds’… it’s only logical to do your own research and do your own tests. Ejaculate every 2-3 days and compare it with every 7, 14 or 21 and make your own conclusion. Go scientific method! ;p

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For some reason, I have noticed that I am more prone to crying during these stints of discipline. Can anyone think of why this could be??

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I thought it had already been labeled as “myth” by now?
Being a kickboxing fighter myself, I can tell you that abstainance is no longer recommended - that is, unless the night before a competition you literally exhaust yourself, but it has more to do with displaced energy and physical tiredness.
Also, the male body has its own way of dealing with sperm retention - nocturnal emissions - thus making all the effort quite useless after a while. :stuck_out_tongue:
Also, while abstaining has been found to increase testosterone, it is a relatively small increase, not comparable with that provided by, for example, a session of weight-lifting or sex itself.

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I do all of those and I eat healthy, etc. etc. and like I said in my first long post I have sex anytime I want I just don’t ejaculate 'til my intervals (max serum testosterone).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241

Correct, but it takes a long time for it to happen… I ejaculate slightly earlier.

15yr old+ (about once every three weeks)
19yr old+ married male (about once per month)
40yr old+ (about once every five-and-a-half weeks)
50yr old+ married males (about once every two months)

See this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241

and this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21983229

Testosterone and other anabolic-androgenic steroids enhance athletic performance in men and women. As a result, exogenous androgen is banned from most competitive sports. However, due to variability in endogenous secretion, and similarities with exogenous testosterone, it has been challenging to establish allowable limits for testosterone in competition. Endogenous androgen production is dynamically regulated by both exercise and winning in competition. Furthermore, testosterone may promote athletic performance, not only through its long-term anabolic actions, but also through rapid effects on behavior. In women, excess production of endogenous testosterone due to inborn disorders of sexual development (DSD) may convey a competitive advantage. For many years, female competitors have been subject to tests of sexual genotype and phenotype known as gender verification. Although gender verification has not identified any normal man competing as a woman, this process has identified women athletes with DSD. As understanding of DSD has expanded in recent years, women with DSD are increasingly able to continue athletic competition.

Still I strongly advice you do your own tests, we all have different bodies… apply the scientific method. I did many self tests over the years and I’m keeping my source of energy abundant, very useful when working 8-12 hours a day for my business… keeps me stable, keeps me inspired. There’s also a pubmed about it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3248440/

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This is such a lazy post to follow yours up with, but…I saw that there was a documentary on Netflix that seemed to be about a male who had a sex change and subsequently played professional female tennis. Then, I didn’t watch it. And I still haven’t. And I don’t know his name. Seems more unfair than DSD though, right? I don’t even think this guy was a pro tennis player before the sex change. I think he was a physician.

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How is that “unfair”? If she’s had a full sex change, she’s likely on hormones that reduce her testosterone levels. Previous employment also has no place as a factor. Please don’t make statements like that, they seem transphobic, especially when you misgendered her with your pronouns.

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Hello,

you can read about the health benefits of mastrubation on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastrubation#Health_and_psychological_effects
They quote scientific papers and magazines.

You can also read about the hazards there, it says that you’ll be fine, as long
as you don’t break it off.

Regards
Henry

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Even lazier: check out this related thread discussing porn/masturbation and memory training:

Less lazy, on the off-topic of gender in competitive athletics:

Binary genders are absolutely relevant and well-defined from a natural-procreation standpoint. Perhaps in this case you might want to add need ternary, to include a “not procreating” category. So if procreation is of primary importance in human society, as it was in all ancient societies, then primary use of binary/ternary genders makes complete sense.

But ultimately the binary gender in modern athletics is a poor approximation of the population. Take the thesis of Gattaca and apply it to gender. The non-genetically engineered man is able to perform his way past his genetically engineered competitors and practically become an astronaut (not a spoiler). I think that if we had genderless athletics from young ages, we would see a lot more top-level female competitors.

I don’t know why males dominate the WMC leaderboard, and I see absolutely no reason to segregate the competition.

But the hormone mix does have an effect, and so my question is the following: In a population with a continuum of endogenous hormone compositions, should we try to level the playing field by segregating Olympic athletics? Segregating based on procreation potential is certainly arbitrary at best. And, if we define athletic-female-gender simply by presence/lack of a Y chromosome, then that might leave transgender males in the female-with-hormone-abuse category. And transgender females might be asked to compete with no-hormone-males. This debate is happening now in CrossFit.

My personal thought: Ideally, we should let all the athletes compete together, and have a diversity of leaderboards. The transgender female will never be on the XX/Natural-Hormones leaderboard, but she may dominate the “legally-female” leaderboard, and she should be welcomed to compete side-by-side with all-gendered athletes, especially in individual events. Individual events should have standardized rules. Here is a discussion in archery.

But this model breaks down pretty badly for team events and even for relay events. We can’t have our cake, whole and unsliced, and eat it too. Choose two of the three. If we need comprehensive gender inclusion, and need for world sports teams to represent nations, and need to approximate competition on a “level playing field” for hormonal use, then we will never be satisfied.