Second Nature, Improves Natural Memory, Useful in University, Increase Vocabulary, What do you get out of these skills?


Hi all

I have a couple of questions and or inquires about memorizing techniques I hope that many of you are will pass on some of your thoughts about.

Do these memory skills or techniques become second nature?

Did these memory skills or techniques help improve your existing memory?

Has anybody used these memory skills or techniques in University or any other type post secondary school? And to what effect did it have?

Did any of these memory skills or techniques help improve your vocabulary?

Where have you found a great deal of benefit using these memory skills or techniques? ie work, career, education, entrepreneurship, casino etc.


  1. No.
  2. Maybe.
  3. Some people here have, LociInTheSky for one…
  4. Yep. Tons of people here memorize their own language, or foreign vocabulary.



I am using a combination of the journey/loci method and the Major system to aid in my CPA (Certified Public Accountant for those outside the US) examination studies. I seem to be retaining older material very well. The goal is to reduce the burden caused by later forgetfulness because of the quantity of material.

Because of the aforementioned licensing studies my linguistic studies are limited, but when I have used the techniques propagated on this site they have worked wonderfully.


1 yes
2 yes
3 not yet but should
4 of course- because of my 1000 object system, I now know words I never knew before
609 jasper
288 naffy
779 kookaburra
541 lariat
543 Larium


They don’t become second nature; you’re never subconsciously competent at memorizing whatever it is. It’s not like you’re listening to a lecture or just look at a sheet of paper with a bunch of numbers on it and then a couple hours later you wanna hear or see it again.

You always have to consciously decide where to put things, how you imagine them and actually link them there.

Unless you have severe forms of synesthesia (the jury is still out on that one as far as I know)…


You always have to consciously decide where to put things, how you imagine them and actually link them there.
I find this irritating at lectures, because I want to memorize and undrerstand it at the same time. Often I turn so much attention to memorizing that I fail to comprehend the main idea of the talk.

I suppose a possible solution would be just using your natural visualization all the time and filling up the journey (this doesn’t require much thinking, could use the brain capacity left to understand the lecture). When lecturer pauses you can decide which images are more important and make these images more memorable (by reviewing them, giving them special theme, feeling them with other senses, linking them together, rasising them above other images, etc) and later reviewing the marked images only.

I think closest to second nature would be visualizing the stuff you’re thinking about into the same room you actually are. There was an article about geotagging events), saying that we naturally memorize WHERE this event took place (or vice versa). Could try placing the images at the same time in the room you’re being.


Yeah, we do do that. Whenever I try to remember what someone said, I go to where I saw them…

I’ve done that for songs, just to practice visualization; visualize everything that’s being said while listening. I suppose I could do so and advance along a journey at the same time, I don’t know how much of it would stick to the journey though.



@Bateman et. al

Though MTs don’t really become second nature as in unconscious/involuntary, they, in my experience, do become more and more interwoven with your way of thinking. If I need to remember a phone number it is quicker for me to just construct a quick picture. The numbers have such a connotation for me that 55 almost looks like Fred Flintstone. A few years ago I would have had to think 55 is FF and that was… errmmm… Fred Flintstone running on… ermmm… a… a dinosaur! Easier to just remember the number using “innate” memory.

@ question 3

I am currently in the process of procrastination. I should be studying for my 4th year med school exam. When I actually do study I like to incorporate MTs. I have a huge journey/palace for diagnosing the cause of anemia. I used to know the full hemopoiesis using journey techniques, but that was a few years ago. In short MTs are (too some extent applicable to tertiary training where “on-your-feet” knowledge is required).


to r30:

This is how I got through medical school (before I knew about memory techniques):

5-10 minute review of each lecture BEFORE the lecture
sit in lecture taking notes, not memorizing, but to UNDERSTAND the topic and CATERGORIZING and ORGANIZING the material
first review start the MEMORIZING
second review FILL IN THE GAPS
final review ACE baby!

NOW that I use memory techniques, I personally would use them at step 3 and 4 above (but probably not in class)


@Krismopolitan; Years? I’ve thought all this time that it takes a couple months for everyone. 00-99 took maybe 3-4 months to get to that level… Well, maybe depends on amount and quality of practice.

They do become much quicker, and much more “natural” as in you can really quickly jump to a memory palace and locus and start encoding information in images. Visualization, imagination improve. Also, you get previous uhh points of reference, of things in the past that you memorized that sound similar and thus you can use the same image a lot faster than making up a whole new one.



I found that you can lessen the ammount of imagination effort and keep more focus in the subject by using the classroom as a palace, but you can´t have a enough room for the whole course in one classroom. I have to move it to some other palace or take notes after that. But it helps me a lot with my attention problems, because in order to memorice I´m forced to pay attention.