# Savantism and Memory Competitions
**URL:** https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842
**Category:** General Memory Chat
**Tags:** eidetic-memory, photographic-memory
**Created:** [September 22, 2012, 8:05am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842 "2012-09-22T08:05:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 3
### Author:  [@Tomasyi](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Tomasyi)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2015, 7:32am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/41 "2015-02-04T07:32:53Z")
> [@Rabbi Scult](#):
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> Has anyone read this:
> …
> Your input please…
> YS
I haven’t read it, but you might be interested in this “Innate talents: Reality or myth?” by the author, Michael Howe, and two others. [http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/1533/1/davidson.j.w1.pdf](http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/1533/1/davidson.j.w1.pdf)
It discusses the evidence for savants having innate talents, and while suggesting there is some evidence, mainly emphasises practice rather than talents, concluding:
“it is noteworthy that in many documented cases the autistic individuals spent many hours each day concentrating on their special interests. There is no direct evidence that the causes are innate, and if they do have an innate component, its main direct effect may be to augment the individuals’ obsession rather than their specific skills as such.”
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### Author:  [@RabbiScult](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/RabbiScult)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2015, 10:00am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/42 "2015-02-04T10:00:52Z")
Thank you for your reply I am will definitely take a look at this article.
One of the subjects that I corresponded with the author about was the idea of “Hothouse Children”.
In the early 90s I listened to a documentary on the BBC world service about hothouse children and was very impressed and interested how such ideas could be implemented to the “rest of us”.
Does anyone here have some nice material about this?
Thank you
YS
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### Author:  [@Log2](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Log2)
#### Post date: [October 31, 2022, 1:45pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/43 "2022-10-31T13:45:08Z")
Orlando has been brain scanned and studied and is believed to be legitamate because of this. I don’t think that this is anything near as hard to believe as Tammet or Shereshevsky’s claim.
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### Author:  [@Bigdonnyv](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Bigdonnyv)
#### Post date: [November 1, 2022, 5:42am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/44 "2022-11-01T05:42:27Z")
I think most memory competitors are just completely regular people who work hard. I don’t believe there’s anything inherently special about us, just lots of dedication.
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/45 "2022-11-02T16:33:54Z")
Hey I have that I’m austsic and SAVANT as well a synesthesix
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/46 "2022-11-02T16:34:01Z")
I trained my self to have synesthesia and and I increased my savant syndrome. There is a book called super human mind on Amazon you should check it out. There’s only 53 Genes in the intare human genome that govern this stuff and if you have them they also make you Nero divergent. But anybody can just train there brain. Natural synthetic awareness is rare but just read with color s to get graphine color synesthesia. You can do it just believe in yourself
By the way miss placed skepticism is worse than having none that is what creates negativity bias
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/47 "2022-11-02T16:34:07Z")
You do know that skeptical bias is a thing right. Why can’t you just except that someone has a talent probably because of training because you can train synesthesia. He probably just spent alday training his mind and body. Oh and to answer the question to the Guy who talked about mounks drying there clothes it’s called tummo and yes It works but its dangerous if you don’t know what you are doing. I burned my self by using it and it can case mental problems.
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/48 "2022-11-02T16:34:32Z")
Nope everyone has a Nero plastic brain. Sorry but I its kinda like. If you run all the time eventually you’ll get good at it. It’s easier for some but most because they work harder
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/49 "2022-11-02T16:34:41Z")
Esp is real it was proven my by science a couple months ago and again Its trainable. Everything is the result of training. I have savant syndrome and a naturally high IQ but I’m much better do to training. I think your sceptical nature is an excuse to not put in the work also ededic Mary is also trainable. Toxic scepticism is dangerous. More so than having an open mind.
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/50 "2022-11-02T16:34:43Z")
I know that extraordinary abilities are in us all.wile it’s healthy to have sceptical thinking we need to be open minded. To all these skeptics you are not at all open minded.and Im scared of the toxicity that is boiling up. Yes this stuff comes easy for some but anybody can do it. That doesn’t mean that they are fake it means that they trained harder.saying fake implied that they had no such ability or were secretly using a calculator. Also my what If esp were proven you’d probably just deny it because of your bias. Have some fath, and lets be civil.
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/51 "2022-11-02T16:34:47Z")
Yes but they still have extraordinary abilities. Kida like body builders training there muscle it’s not natural but still rare and impressive
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### Author:  [@Log2](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Log2)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/52 "2022-11-02T18:32:39Z")
I am neurodivergent and hyperphantisic. I guess under some definitions I would be considered a savant just as Temple Grandin is considered a savant due to pretty much the same ability. I am not currently skeptical of any of the people who have claimed to be savants or who have been diagnosed as savants contrary to what you implied in your response. However, I do understand why many are skeptical of the claims of Tammet and a few others. However, there is really no reason to be skeptical of Orlando Serrell and this is what I posted about. I have a feeling that you have slightly misread the tone of this thread as we neurodivergent people do. Skepticism is building up much more than toxicity in my opinion and I think this is somewhat warranted. But perhaps I am misreading things, and you are correct. Either way I hope this clarified the intention of my post.
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/55 "2022-11-03T13:09:37Z")
I’ve been diagnosed since the age of 8 and I can prove it. (✓2^✓2)!+ 5=31 1,1,2,3,5,8,13… I could go on amlph null factorial to the power aliph null factorial equals aliph aliph to The aliph aliph power sso ali 2times it’s self 2times so 4infanet sest of infant sets.
Oh and I have hyper fantasia and I have synesthesia and a really wide assosatve threshold I’m really good at IQ stuff.
Dan tammit had a brain scan and he is lagit your scepticism is misplaced
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### Author:  [@Log2](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Log2)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/56 "2022-11-03T14:18:32Z")
I am not skeptical myself. If you read what I wrote, I said that I can understand why others may still be skeptical. Daniel Tammet has a history of being a scam artist and this may lead others to not trust him.
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2022, 3:29am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/59 "2022-11-10T03:29:44Z")
No he doesn’t. I’ve never heard that and I worship the guy. Those same persons are sceptical of this site and any form of congestive ability improvement. I agree that he used techniques but he also has synthesia and SAVANT sindrom if for no other reason then he traind to do so
Ho and you know why I have these abilities I trained to get them
Those are internet blogs a reddit forms you know how many people just like on thoses things yes he probably trained to get to were he is but when you do training you change your mind and brain
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### Author:  [@Log2](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Log2)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2022, 3:40am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/61 "2022-11-10T03:40:42Z")
Not hearing something is not the same thing as it not being true
If he trained to get his skills he wouldn’t be a savant. You kind of have to pick one.
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### Author:  [@Chump](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Chump)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2022, 3:49am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/62 "2022-11-10T03:49:42Z")
> [@georgeb3kaknes](#):
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> No he doesn’t.
Yes, he does. And actually it is not really a particularly controversial thing to say any more - it has been an established fact for more than 15 years. Tammet’s name is regularly mentioned as a well known example of a fraud in this community.
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### Author:  [@Log2](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Log2)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2022, 4:38am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/63 "2022-11-10T04:38:05Z")
I was actually referring to his actual history of being a scam artist outside of the whole savant thing.
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### Author:  [@georgeb3kaknes](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/georgeb3kaknes)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/66 "2022-11-10T20:34:51Z")
No he’s not I looked it up those are just internet articles get help for you condition I did it really helps
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### Author:  [@zvuv](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/zvuv)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/savantism-and-memory-competitions/27842/67 "2022-11-10T20:34:52Z")
> [@georgeb3kaknes](#):
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> Esp is real it was proven my by science a couple months ago
Would you give a reference, please?
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