# Query regarding PAO method

Hello all,
I have been pondering over some thoughts about PAO system. I am a beginner here, and I’m about to complete my PAO list. But for a while I have been wondering the effectiveness of the system on a longer scale. Granted the method would suffice for memorizing a set of random numbers, but what if the objective is to retain certain information in the near future? Say some historical dates or something, or even phone numbers, should I be using this PAO list or should I create other individual images for them and place them in my loci? Because obviously the same person-action-object may exist in some other loci too.

If you have a PAO, you should use it for all information. The point of having a number system is so you don’t have to create images on the spot for numbers. Yes, you might have some similar images or even the same images, but they will be in a different location and in a different context. I used my PAO to learn all the atomic masses for the periodic table of elements and it was just fine. Hope this helps!

And just one other thing, although I’m afraid its a bit off topic, but when you said that thing about the periodic table, how often would one have to revisit his palace, in order to retain such information for a long time ? I have read about the spaced repetition, but if you have had any personal experience with memorising information for a longer duration instead of temporary card or number memorisation, can you please share its potency ?

Forgive me if I seem persistent, its that I have always had this dream of storing ALL necessary information in my mind for any future references, yeah somewhat like what sherlock did (lol). I just wanted to know how practical it is.

Thanks

1. Less loci needed
2. Grouping of information

the first is the main reason for a lot to switch to PAO, it allows for more information to be stored on one locus and thus you need less loci. Basically without PAO (or something similar) you can generally store 1, 2 or 3 digits on a single locus, with PAO that range goes from 3 to 9 digits, depending on how complex you want to make your system. I have yet to see a system allowing 10-digits with PAO, but that even would be possible. It is possible to extend your range by adding more complexity to the system, but PAO is an effective middle ground.

I hear a lot about PAO with totals of 8 digit images, 3-digit persons, 2-digit actions, 3-digit objects, because in memory competitions the numbers seem to come in 40-digit rows, which makes 8 a better option than 6 or 9 as you really work row by row. But that is basically what it is for, storing lots of information on a small spot.

The second is useful in real life. When I finish my milennium PAO with 8-digit images, I can use that perfectly for phone numbersl, especially mobile phone numbers. also birthdays and stuff like it can be remembered with it. By using PAO, I can put all that information in a single image. Even if you have to split it up, you only have to connect two images, which is easier than connecting five in a specific order.

It depends on what the information is and how much there is. I reviewed the periodic table a decent amount since there was a lot of information. It has been about 5 years since I learned all that information. I can still recall it. I review it less now since when i first learned it. Maybe once or twice a year if that.

If you are going to use the information more often, then you would review more. But you have to remember recalling the information for a test or whatever is still reviewing the information. I have never seen Sherlock so i don’t know what you mean haha

Check it out – I don’t watch TV, but it’s a great show. I think there are two episodes that feature “mind palaces”.

Thanks a lot Parkouristx and Mayarra.

Really hoping to get things right. I am brushing through the forums to clear off my doubts, for I’m afraid I might flood this forum if I start asking myself. ( he…he…)
But I very much appreciate you guys helping us out.
Cheers !

Josh can I ask you something ?

When memorising numbers or cards for that matter, I am apparently using PAO, what do you do when there are numbers left over after grouping them. Like 7, 8,9,10 or 11 digits. After grouping them into 3 sets of 2 digits, I will be left with 1,2,3,4 or 5 remaining numbers.
What do you do ?
Also in the case of cards too. You know the one remaining card.

I am not josh, but here is what I do:

1 digit left: I got an additional set of 10 objects for 0-9, I use that to create an image with the locus.
2 digits left: Using just a person in combination with the locus, not doing a specific action.
3 digits left: Person + object + locus
4 digits left: Person doing Action with the locus
5 digits left: PAO with 1-digit Object

Currently I experiment with myself as the person with my specified “blanco” action, both meaning that I needed it to create a full PAO image but lacked parts.
Myself + blanco action + 1-digit object = 1-digit number
With this system I basically work backwards, my blanco action is slamming my head on the object
1 digit left: myself + head slamming + 1-digit object
2 digits left: myself + head slamming + 2-digit object
3 digits left: myself + normal action + 1-digit object
4 digits left: myself + normal action + 2-digit object
5 digits left: PAO with 1-digit Object

I don’t use PAO – I have single images for 0-9, 00-99, and 000-999 and can combine them in different ways. I would try something like Mayarra’s technique if I were using PAO.

Wow. That blanco action seems pretty interesting. I will be giving that a try…
Thanks

Thanks josh