# Pao system - question **URL:** \ **Category:** General Memory Chat\ **Tags:** pao-system\ **Created:** [January 5, 2025, 10:35pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450 "2025-01-05T22:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Truelly](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f07891/32.png) [@Truelly](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Truelly)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 10:35pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450/1 "2025-01-05T22:35:18Z")
Hello, I want to create 2digit PAO system in my native language, before doing that and sticking with it i want to ask you guys what “type” of PAO system should i create - what i mean by that is should i create PERSON ACTION OBJECT - with each word created with major system? - to me that seems so much easier then just going with (for example) AE - Albert Einstein - writing - On a blackboard, becouse i would need to remember that the writing is bonded with AE - which would be 15 in this case. I don’t know why so many people use “regular” PAO system and not created with major system rules for each letter. I want to ask you which type do you use and what do u think about it. Truelly ---
**Author:** ![Goldfish](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/goldfish/32/30371_2.png) [@Goldfish](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Goldfish)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450/2 "2025-01-05T23:27:09Z")
> [@Truelly](#): > > I don’t know why so many people use “regular” PAO system and not created with major system rules for each letter. You’ve pretty much got it exactly. by linking all three PAO to a single person, you only have to _really_ memorize 100 things instead of 300 when building the system. But that’s an extra step in the moment for every two digits you encode ("15 is… AE? Einstein! doing… what? oh, something with a chalkboard), so it’s much more time-consuming every time you actually go to memorize a long number, especially for objects since you usually have to mentally go through actions to get there.) > [@Truelly](#): > > I want to ask you which type do you use and what do u think about it. I recently had a mixed system but switched to 00-99 PAO major system followed exactly for person, action, object. (exactly-ish, there are a few with an extra sound after the two digits but i’ll fix them someday if i ever go to 000-999 which I don’t anticipate happening in the near future.) Honestly, I’ve struggled a bit to learn it. Some of the words are tough to recall in the first place, and linking them to exactly what they represent takes a while too. But I also understand that work put into building a system pays off every time you use it, so I’m (grudgingly) putting up with my current “slow progress” and looking forward to reaping the benefits in the future. ---
**Author:** ![TheHumanTim](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/thehumantim/32/17301_2.png) [@TheHumanTim](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/TheHumanTim)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 2:19am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450/3 "2025-01-06T02:19:01Z")
> [@Goldfish](#): > > linking them to exactly what they represent takes a while too. If you’re using Anki, I highly recommend trying to find a specific single image and putting it as the answer so you can start to focus your visualization when you recall. Sometimes just searching for images that fit your words helps to solidify what you’re visualizing. And seeing it every time you review as the “answer” on your flashcard can help lock it in too. ---
**Author:** ![richy21](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/richy21/32/28765_2.png) [@richy21](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/richy21)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 6:39am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450/4 "2025-01-06T06:39:02Z")
I currently use “categorical” PAO, where each ten numbers (or each suit of cards) has a category. Within each category, I use the major system for the last digit, matching it to the first or last name of a person (or sometimes nicknames if i have to get creative to fill a slot). I think the categories help add an additional memory anchor. I also use “meta categories”, for example all the suits of cards are sitcoms. Example of the person portion of my PAO for cards: | Card | | Category | Person | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | A♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Tam | | 2♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Neil deGrasse Tyson (guest star) | | 3♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Mary Cooper | | 4♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Howard | | 5♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Leonard | | 6♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Sheldon | | 7♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Koothrapali | | 8♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Farrah Fowler (Amy) | | 9♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Penny | | 10♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Stuart | | J♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Dr. Beverly Hofstadter | | Q♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Nathan Fillion (guest star) | | K♧ | | Big Bang Theory | Missy Cooper | | A♤ | | Seinfeld | David Puddy | | 2♤ | | Seinfeld | Newman | | 3♤ | | Seinfeld | Morty Seinfeld | | 4♤ | | Seinfeld | Russel Dalyrimple | | 5♤ | | Seinfeld | Elaine | | 6♤ | | Seinfeld | George | | 7♤ | | Seinfeld | Kramer | | 8♤ | | Seinfeld | Frank Costanza | | 9♤ | | Seinfeld | Babu Bhat | | 10♤ | | Seinfeld | Seinfeld (Jerry) | | J♤ | | Seinfeld | Tim Watley | | Q♤ | | Seinfeld | Nazi (Soup) | | K♤ | | Seinfeld | Maestro | | A​❤ | | That 70s Show | Donna | | 2​❤ | | That 70s Show | Nina (fez girlfriend) | | 3​❤ | | That 70s Show | Mr Foreman | | 4​❤ | | That 70s Show | Eric | | 5​❤ | | That 70s Show | Laurie Foreman | | 6​❤ | | That 70s Show | Jackie | | 7​❤ | | That 70s Show | Kelso | | 8​❤ | | That 70s Show | Fez | | 9​❤ | | That 70s Show | Bob Pinciotti | | 10​❤ | | That 70s Show | Steven Hyde | | J​❤ | | That 70s Show | Donna’s Mom (midge) | | Q​❤ | | That 70s Show | Angie (hydes half sister) | | K​❤ | | That 70s Show | Mrs Foreman | | A♢ | | Friends | David scientist | | 2♢ | | Friends | Nasty neighbor (Mr Heckles) | | 3♢ | | Friends | Monica | | 4♢ | | Friends | Rachel | | 5♢ | | Friends | Little Gellar (Ross) | | 6♢ | | Friends | Joey | | 7♢ | | Friends | Gunther | | 8♢ | | Friends | Phoebe | | 9♢ | | Friends | Bing (Chandler) | | 10♢ | | Friends | Smelly Cat | | J♢ | | Friends | Tag | | Q♢ | | Friends | Naked Guy | | K♢ | | Friends | Mike | I made this with the help of my [GPT](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/a-couple-of-gpts-for-pao-creation/99420) which provides you multiple person/character options for each consonant sound for your given category (eg. Seinfeld characters). You can then pick the ones that have the strongest association in your mind. I don’t know if you need to be a paid member to use GPTs, but if so you can always ask your free ai or search engine of choice to make you a similar list. ---
**Author:** ![Truelly](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f07891/32.png) [@Truelly](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Truelly)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450/5 "2025-01-06T14:28:16Z")
Seems like people just memorize the entire PAO system if they arent using major system to create person, action and object i wonder if it would be more effective later on if i would have memorized all the things it would be kinda automatic… still not sure if i should create regular PAO or with the words that match major system letters ---
**Author:** ![Truelly](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f07891/32.png) [@Truelly](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Truelly)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450/6 "2025-01-06T17:25:15Z")
Just found this: [PAO Advice I wish I knew before I learned my PAO](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-advice-i-wish-i-knew-before-i-learned-my-pao/41947). IM sure i will grind and memorize it, now actually im more into making regular PAO and just memorize the 300 things with the numbers and make the person action object logical. What do u reckon? ---
**Author:** ![TheHumanTim](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/thehumantim/32/17301_2.png) [@TheHumanTim](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/TheHumanTim)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 12:44am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450/7 "2025-01-07T00:44:22Z")
I disagree with several of the points in that post, but really, you should make the determination for yourself. Try one way and if you like it, great! Remember you can always rebuild, modify, or switch systems in the future. It may seem like a lot now, but 300 associations is not really that much and the brain is easily adaptable and overwrite-able. I started with a category system, “classic” PAO, then tried fully major and loved it. Moved from a single card to a 2-block, to a split 1352 PO, to a full 2704. Its possible to keep modifying as you go. Only you can determine what will work well for you! Don’t let someone who had a negative experience with a certain system turn you off to it. Ultimately though, the specific system you pick is less important than the time and effort you put into learning and using it. Someone who puts a lot of effort into a simple system will crush someone who just halfheartedly works on a more “advanced” one. Its all about what works for you! ---
**Author:** ![Truelly](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/f07891/32.png) [@Truelly](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Truelly)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450/8 "2025-01-07T18:00:31Z")
Ok, I will go for major PAO i think that at the end both systems will make u remember and associete the word with number instantly anyway if ill be using it often and study it. So i guess the simpliest way to make the list now is to NOT go for logical action and object with the person mainly becosue it would be very hard to do that with major requirements right? Any chance u should share your PAO if u can so i can see how did u make it? Just want to see how the person with ( for me) great achievements built their PAO. ---
**Author:** ![TheHumanTim](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/thehumantim/32/17301_2.png) [@TheHumanTim](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/TheHumanTim)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 7:21pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-system-question/99450/9 "2025-01-07T19:21:35Z")
Here’s an older post with my complete 2-digit setup: > [@Post your 0-99 List here for other people to use... feel free to add](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/post-your-0-99-list-here-for-other-people-to-use-feel-free-to-add/28338/14): > > Based on Major System. Almost all entries follow major rules precisely with no extra consonant sounds (except some of the locations.) # LOCATION ADJECTIVE CHARACTER ACTION OBJECT CARD 0 oZ wuSSy oZ Sawing Saw 1 uTah hoT yoDa eaTing Tea 2 iNN whiNy Neo kNeeing heN 3 Maui eMo Mo Mowing haM 4 Rio haiRy Rey Rowing oRe 5 aLLey hoLy Leia Laying Lei 6 SHoe iTCHy CHewy CHewing SHoe 7 hoCKey (rink) Coy Key huGGing Cow 8 uFo heaVy Vai waVing V 9 Powow haPPy Poe Peeing P…