# PAO - Based on character from P or based on Major **URL:** \ **Category:** General Memory Chat\ **Created:** [March 5, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-based-on-character-from-p-or-based-on-major/91186 "2024-03-05T21:56:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 2
**Author:** ![Mike4](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/aeb1de/32.png) [@Mike4](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Mike4)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-based-on-character-from-p-or-based-on-major/91186/2 "2024-03-05T22:59:55Z")
This has been discussed a few times already. Here is one place you can give a look: > [@Tip for practicing PAO](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/tip-for-practicing-pao/77499): > > Something I realized fairly recently was the importance of independently associating the PAO elements in a PAO list to their numbers. I think when people are first starting out with a PAO structure (myself included), it’s common to make the mistake of creating a full image that they associate to the number, like “TeDDy TooTing on a ToaD” to remember their “number 11” PAO items. This is especially the case if using a “traditional PAO” approach where the Person follows a rule like major system bu… > [@Rookus](#): > > Downside is that there is more to remember. Tbh, a 2-digit PAO is not big, so the time you’ll save won’t really make a difference, but Tim’s points are solid, so I agree with his assessment that it’s better to have actions and objects that are independently associated to the number. Also, if you have any trouble filling your list following the Major System, there are a bunch of resources you can use, which I may share if you’re interested. --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/pao-based-on-character-from-p-or-based-on-major/91186)._