# Long term maintenence of Memory Palace **URL:** \ **Category:** General Memory Chat\ **Tags:** gms\ **Created:** [May 6, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605 "2021-05-06T14:41:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/59ef9b/32.png) [@Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Wil)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/1 "2021-05-06T14:41:57Z")
Hello all cool mnemonists, I am on a path of learning things by using memory palaces. I am just wondering. With time, the image rebus puzzle does get deprioritized and my mind naturally does not bother with decoding the images and jumps straight to the information. So, I thought. Should I repeat the way the information relates to the images (the rebuses) even if I know the information? In the other hand…I do already know the information that I want because I am using spaced repetition with my memory palaces just for that reason. Then again, what if I take something for granted and then the rebus who would have helped me recieve the original information is lost? …I might be overthinking, I might just not be used to store things I value like this. Btw, I have made a memory palace for the different types of maintaining a memory palace…regular intuitive walk…fast subtle touching of the images…slow vivid stolling trough the museum-visualisation… Moreover, I would really like to discuss anything related to the last step on the way to making something a long term memory. One thought that I really believe is when I look back, years back, the memories that sticks usually do have an image or GIF if you will. Best Wishes ---
**Author:** ![Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/59ef9b/32.png) [@Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Wil)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/2 "2021-05-12T16:50:30Z")
…I really want peoples opinion on this…neither of my friends…or any human in my surrounding seem like they can touch this. Bless you and bless this forum! ---
**Author:** ![Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/59ef9b/32.png) [@Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Wil)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/4 "2021-05-12T19:35:34Z")
> [@user\_7e](#): > > What I am trying to say with this mini story is, should you continue to repeat the way the information relates to the images, you really will have to do this when you use the information. Conversely if you use the information and not the way the information relates to the images, you may no longer remember the way the information relates to the images. If you do both you are likely to keep both. This made me a bit nervous at first, but remembering both (relation and information) might be fun. I already am remembering both because otherwise it feels like the images would become ghosts to me?! I’ll have to investigate. More interesting, do you keep information in memory palaces, and how do you do regarding this? ---
**Author:** ![Zillia](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/zillia/32/6049_2.png) [@Zillia](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Zillia)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/5 "2021-05-12T20:26:22Z")
A small question on this, do you merely touch the images, or are you a part of the small story you make up for them? Ive been experimenting with interacting with my informatino in memory palaces more, like to hear other peoples experience. 🙂 > [@Wil](#): > > …regular intuitive walk…fast subtle touching of the images…slow vivid stolling trough the museum-visualisation… ---
**Author:** ![Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/59ef9b/32.png) [@Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Wil)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 8:19am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/7 "2021-05-13T08:19:42Z")
> [@user\_7e](#): > > and not when I really can’t Interesting, sorry this part confused me… ---
**Author:** ![Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/59ef9b/32.png) [@Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Wil)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 8:22am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/8 "2021-05-13T08:22:21Z")
I do both. But when I take my time I interact with the pictures and places like it was a new play eg. touching the seat of a chair or greeting a character. ---
**Author:** ![Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/59ef9b/32.png) [@Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Wil)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 6:21pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/10 "2023-02-04T18:21:33Z")
I’m still dancing around the issue regarding if memory as in the memory palace gets transfered into the long term memory as with spaced repetition. Pictures make connections greater but it seems alot harder to track all the abstract paths of MP when you can do flashcards with simple pictures regarding the facts. I’m thinking I practice spaced repetition. And after a month then maybe I will add it to a memory palace… ---
**Author:** ![zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/zweb_chess/32/17277_2.png) [@zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/zweb_chess)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/11 "2023-02-04T23:46:57Z")
> [@Wil](#): > > Pictures make connections greater but it seems alot harder to track all the abstract paths of MP when you can do flashcards with simple pictures regarding the facts. In my opinion memory palaces only add significant utility when sequence matters. There is a reason most medical students and trivia experts prefer just using Anki to MP. It also makes sense that competitive memory heavily favors MP as most events are heavily sequence based. ---
**Author:** ![intranetmouse](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/edb3f5/32.png) [@intranetmouse](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/intranetmouse)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 9:46pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/12 "2023-02-05T21:46:20Z")
Wow, @zweb_chess, a lot of valuable perspective packed into three little sentences. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![hassanizhar](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/hassanizhar/32/17272_2.png) [@hassanizhar](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/hassanizhar)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/13 "2023-02-07T12:02:04Z")
It’s great that you’re using memory palaces and spaced repetition techniques to improve your memory! The use of images or rebuses can be an effective way to associate information with a specific location in your memory palace. Regarding your question, it depends on what works best for you and your personal learning style. Some people find that regularly reviewing the connection between the information and the images helps to reinforce the association and prevent the information from becoming lost over time. Others may find that after a certain amount of time, the information becomes firmly encoded in their memory and the images are no longer necessary for recall. Ultimately, the goal of memory techniques is to make the information you want to remember part of your long-term memory. To achieve this, it’s important to actively engage with the information, whether that means reviewing the connections between the images and the information or simply recalling the information from memory on a regular basis. If you’re not sure which approach is best for you, you may want to try both and see which one works better for you. It’s also a good idea to have a variety of memory techniques in your toolkit, as different techniques may work better for different types of information or at different stages of the learning process. Experimenting with different techniques and finding what works best for you is a key part of the learning process. ---
**Author:** ![Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/59ef9b/32.png) [@Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Wil)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/14 "2023-02-08T17:57:06Z")
Yeah mate. For me, the pictures seems to get redundant when you know the info, its like eating mango AND the skin in which all the juice is left out. Again, perhaps you adore the images that you create…well make a memory palace for art exhibition then! My thinking is that, as you say, you can entertain the images buy improvising new connections each time. In other words, you use the images as bulletpoints in which you create a whole presentation from scratch to ingrain different perspectives and, you know, neurologic connections. ---
**Author:** ![Herakles](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Herakles](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Herakles)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 2:36am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/15 "2023-02-16T02:36:42Z")
Ad Herennium seems to have understood this, writing, “… such an arrangement of images succeeds only if we use our notation to stimulate the natural memory, so that we first go over a given verse two or three times for ourselves and then represent the words by means of images. In this way art will complement nature. For neither alone will be strong enough…” Are the Objects of Memory lost forever once the words have taken root in our brains? Are the molds broken and discarded? I don’t know. I can remember less than 5% of the Memory Objects I used to memorize lectures, but I feel they are still there, like ghosts, somewhere in my mind. I got this from a text I have read about verbatim memory techniques, it is a very good book and from the practices I have done with this book I can affirm its veracity. ---
**Author:** ![zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/zweb_chess/32/17277_2.png) [@zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/zweb_chess)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 3:40am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/17 "2023-02-16T03:40:19Z")
> [@Wil](#): > > For me, the pictures seems to get redundant when you know the info, its like eating mango AND the skin in which all the juice is left out. I am trying memorize all my chess mnemonic journeys with scripts separate from a chessboard. I am hoping to have 2 streams of info the moves I learn and the story so in the distant future when it appears on the board I can play the moves quickly and confidently if the move makes both chess sense and the corresponding mnemonic image seems right. It is a bit much but one use case for retaining the images is increased confidence especially if the info you learned is very similar to other info you learned. ---
**Author:** ![Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/59ef9b/32.png) [@Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Wil)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/18 "2023-02-18T17:42:56Z")
> [@zweb\_chess](#): > > I am trying memorize all my chess mnemonic journeys with scripts separate from a chessboard. I am hoping to have 2 st What you are saying is that you are facilitating both active and passive memory? eg. Active:Definition to word or Passive: Word to definition in vocabulary ---
**Author:** ![zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/zweb_chess/32/17277_2.png) [@zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/zweb_chess)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/19 "2023-02-18T18:15:16Z")
I am saying I am making extra effort to remember the journey images as in the future I plan to use the images to double check accuracy even after I have assimilated the decoded chess moves into long-term memory and wouldn’t need the images in theory. The main reason is chess positions are very similar to each other so a common error is playing a correct idea in a slightly wrong position so its not quite enough to just assimilate the information into long-term memory then forget the images. The images will facilitate recalling the exact specific move order perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/59ef9b/32.png) [@Wil](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Wil)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/20 "2023-02-18T18:22:53Z")
I get it now. Although serendipity may occur as you trust your intuition lol, or what do I know. The intended techninque may be preferable. ---
**Author:** ![zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/zweb_chess/32/17277_2.png) [@zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/zweb_chess)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/21 "2023-02-18T18:43:25Z")
Memory palace is so time consuming I decided to do a mix of MP and Chessable which is the equivalent of Anki. Chessable will get all the strong ideas into my head but I will be a lot more prone to move order mistakes in similar positions compared to memory palace. The most serious and classical forever weapons I am doing with memory palace and any gaps with chessable. This is looking like about a 50-50 mix for full coverage of all options. ---
**Author:** ![docraymund](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/docraymund/32/15117_2.png) [@docraymund](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/docraymund)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 3:57am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/22 "2023-02-19T03:57:25Z")
Question: do chess grandmasters memorize all their moves or do they do it by analysis? ---
**Author:** ![zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/user_avatar/forum.artofmemory.com/zweb_chess/32/17277_2.png) [@zweb\_chess](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/zweb_chess)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/23 "2023-02-19T16:48:16Z")
GMs have a huge amount memorized. The main way most GMs memorize openings is via memorizing specific master games they will often be able to cite the exact player who played a certain line. They also play training games in agreed opening positions with training partners and analyze them after. Even top GMs are prone to memory mistakes and make them often in practice. Only a couple GMs use memory palace. I think a fair number load their repertoire in chessable to drill privately. There also are many paid chessable courses that are created by top 10 in the world players and reliable. Its also worth noting that the main skill difference between IMs and GMs is endgames so even beginning at IM level there is a large amount of opening memorization. Now even a 2000 who likes to do Chessable daily has world class openings. ---
**Author:** ![Herakles](https://forum.artofmemory.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Herakles](https://forum.artofmemory.com/u/Herakles)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 10:10am UTC](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605/24 "2023-02-20T10:10:14Z")
What has worked for me to store sentences on a wall, is to divide a wall in 8 or more, like a chess board, and place in each focus point a memory object that can cover from a sentence to a single word, I will not extend beyond the technique for explanation of many factors. [Next page](https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/long-term-maintenence-of-memory-palace/62605.md?page=2)